But it’s still theoretically possible, as they say it’s compatible with all JAGM users’ platforms and for warthunder’s sake, A 16km IR missile is something we already have in the game. They would need to just limit the amount you can take like 8 max. Plus it didn’t stop gaijin adding the KH38mts that have no evidence of being test-fired or even existing at this point.
Found it again, and actually a bit more. However it technically does not prove its compatibility (purely from imagery) that things like A-10, F-16, F-18 can carry it though (but of course logically almost 100% certain).
F-15E:
Though apparently ex F-15SE, so it might not be quite proof enough for Gaijin. Its use in conjuction with normal SDBs (on same BRU-61 rail) should be pretty convincing though. Especially when we already know pretty much all planes can already use SDB-II.
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AC-130J:
MQ-9:
Can be seen in this video (youtube), the covered SDBs are almost certainly Laser SDBs.
Of course Gaijin probably will still require images of it mounted on the planes we actually have. In which case only maybe the F-15E can get it based on this.
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Those other weapons would be really nice to have on strike eagle ngl
I suppose gaijin would add AGM-179A JAGM for the american helicopter top tier before JAGM-F because Fire & forget short range air-to-ground missile
what would the JAGM-F stats be?
It would be pretty much the same as the Brimstone.
Though the brochure does say it’s like 40+ kg heavier than the standard JAGM (said to simply use the Hellfire rocket booster) or Brimstone (which is known to have pretty much Hellfire like booster). This could either mean it has a better booster (unlikely, given pretty much same dimensions as JAGM or Brimstone, while only having similar range to the Brimstone), or just that the extra features (high off-bore and eject-launch capability causes the extra weight.
The weight actually probably makes it perform better than Hellfire/Brimstone as it would allow it to retain its energy for longer, given that you launch it from high speed. It will probably be negatively affected when launched from low-speed.
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Same dimensions:
However, the stripes (indicating from left to right: booster, warhead, precursor charge (tandem)) tell us that there is a larger gap between the booster and warhead on the JAGM-F. But this may be due to the added “delay motor light” function they added for it, per the brochure.
This is the source on the Brimstone engine:
Pretty similar to the Hellfire. And the Brimstone claims a very similar launch range as the JAGM-F, so it’s unlikely JAGM-F actually has a better motor then. Only JAGM-MR brochure actually mentions an improved motor (boost-sustain) for improved maneuverability and kinematics.
Because then the F-15E would be able to carry at least 20 better mavericks having a mmw seeker. The situation of GRB is already bad but we don’t have to make it worse. Afaik the helis use the JAGM-MR. That can comfortably be implemented into the game having the range of the 114L and maybe a bit more. :)
It would be better than the GBU-53B. The Stormbreaker having a faster time to target 'cause unlike the 53 this one is acutally powered
They really need to figure out a better solution for quantity mitigation.
I really dont want ot be using SAL Brimstones forever because they cant be bothered to come up with a way to balance the fact the Typhoon can carry 18 of them.
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so it would have around 10kg he?
damn dude the current 65D cant even kill with 50kg properly how would the 10kg be
The issue is centre mass attacks.
With the “recently” (firebirds) added code for how FnF weapons target naval targets. Im hoping we might see improvements on missiles targeting ground targets.
I cant speak for JAGM, but Brimstone should go for weakspots
JAGM also benefits from having like 1200mm pen like the hellfire and is tandem, where a lot of times AGM-65s just straight up do not pen.
Probably limiting specific loadouts only for AIR RB EC and similar operations like the SEAD event. But i can see gaijin making an F-15E with 28 JAGMs to cost the same as a nuke. That would not be optimal but just saying.
hmm i c
but its fnf right?
Exponential SP costs is how Id do.
So 28 JAGM probably would end up costing equal to or maybe even more than a nuke. But the point is than 8 wouldnt cost any more than 6 AGM-65s do now, and if you have spare SP, then you could take more and if not, you can just fill those slots with something else instead, like GBU-39s.
But importantly, you can run 28 JAGM in ARB or ASB without a care in the world.
As of 2022 no fixed wing tests were conducted.
https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Selected_Acquisition_Reports/FY_2022_SARS/JAGM_SAR_DEC_2022_CAO_2023-04-10_FINAL.pdf
Oddly enough apparently separation testing was done for it back in 2010. (Probably inside a wind tunnel)
I found this on wiki so not 100% reliable but it’s something: The Joint Air-to-Ground Missile (JAGM) is designed to replace existing missiles like the Hellfire and Maverick.JAGM does not have a single, specified top speed, but it incorporates capabilities from its predecessors, including the Hellfire’s Mach 1.3 (995 mph; 1,601 km/h) speed.
At this point anything is better than agm-65s so I wouldn’t mind Mach 1.3
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Yes if its fnf which JAGM-MR is and has IR seeker
Depends if they will be fire and forget or not. Like Brimstones, Gaijin might only add them with SALH guidance.
Also I guess to show the expected speed of the JAGM-F (by using Brimstone) vs AGM-65D, I did a couple of test fires to see, because I didn’t think it would be that much better anyway:
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Tests were all done at roughly Mach 1-1.1 speed range at 1, 3 and 5km altitude.
Brimstone:
1km: 12.1km in 40.1s = 302 m/s average, topspeed ~M1.8
3km: 14.6km in 47.1s = 310 m/s average, topspeed ~M1.9
5km: 12.9km in 34.1s = 378 m/s average, topspeed ~M2.1
AGM-65D Maverick:
1km: 11.6km in 48.1s = 241 m/s average, topspeed ~M1.3 (aimed for ~12km range, but couldn’t reach)
3km: 14.8km in 58.2s = 254 m/s average, topspeed ~M1.4
5km: 12.6km in 37.8s = 333 m/s average, topspeed ~M1.5
So while JAGM-F would probably be a decent bit faster, if it was implemented like Brimstone (likely anyway), all this time is spent lasing (well the last 10s at least). And from high altitude launches, Maverick speed isn’t much worse.
Well right now the Maverick are underperforming in flight preformance.