Why is T-60 so USELESS?

That „APCR“ is just API without the ballistic cap.

ShVAK API is simple of APCR design but using a steel penetrator.

We already have experimental high velocity API for the TNSh cannon that never entered production.

There is no APCR for the cannon.

How would that even work?

It’s already using a subcaliber steel penetrator.
Replacing that with tungsten just makes the shell heavier and therefore slower.

But the gun wasn’t tuned to fire heavier shells than the API with 96.5g.

Also the T-60 is perfectly useable at 1.0. There are a lot worse vehicles out there.

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like what? I can only name Csaba and M2A2.

idk about you, but I’d take the T60 over all the French 1.0 stuff, most of the Italian 1.0 stuff, 35t, pz3e, and any rank 1 spaa.

I mean it has mobility, large belt and slanted armor, the 32mm pen forces you to engage opponents selectively and get up close and personal but other than those there’s not really any problems with it.

Basically it works the same as a CV9040

if we talk about old french 1.0 sure, but newer models show at least some cannon so i would play them. The italians have interesting rank 1, they have good shots and protection OR good mobility and interesting looks, so i would rather use them too. Pz3E is garbage for sure, but 35t was not that bad in my mind. ANd the rank 1 spaa except the GAZ AA are great tanks to delete actual tanks XD

tho the slanted armor has major weakspots that are easy to pen as you cant be far away on T-60 to fight.

you’ll never penetrate them with T-60, even, and many Germans/Americans don’t know how to. Even French SPAA has higher pen than T-60

only the L3/CC would be less effective than T-60, because all others have APCR, higher mobility and very quick reload (from 3 to 8 sec)

that takes TWENTY seconds to reload

so it is useless against most targets you meet

they are AMAZING, I had what, 6 victories in a row playing only APCR auto guns setup? Insanely good ratting vehicles. If it was T-60, I wouldn’t penetrate a single Panzer 3 (except for B one ofc)

and with T-60 I only had defeats, because well, I encountered many situations where I see 3 to 5 targets but can’t do much, and every player’s role like mine will affect victory result

ah yep, I missed that when I 1st read it, it dis seem like an odd design, but looking at it as an AP-I(c) missing the cap explains it perfectly

these 2 statements say opposite things.

not according to the ammunition cards in game, both are full caliber, one just goes faster:

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Compared to the .50cal AP-I(c) where you can clearly see the outer shell peel of:

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as the German diagram clearly shows it’s a 24g penetrator 2.5g of incendiary and total projectile mass of 96g

This is not APCR?

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M2A2 is actually better because it has amazing mobility and a 200 round belt.

Let’s see. There’s of course the L3, which is simply the worst vehicle.

There’s the Cone which has ok armor but killing tanks with 37mm APCR is a pain.

Maybe I like the Csaba even more than the T-60 so good chance it’s in fact worse.

There‘s also the AMC.34 YR, which has 47mm APHE with pretty slow reload that pens 27mm at most.

The T-26-4 is probably worse because it has poor armor, poor mobility and also a gun that isn’t all that effective due to its poor muzzle velocity.

Heck, the T-60 is probably more effective at 1.0 than the Sturmpanzer, which has nothing going for it fighting 1.0 tanks with that slow reloading, super low muzzle velocity gun.

No thats just the API without the ballistic cap:

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It’s the same AP-I- (c)/HC as the 1st pic, you can see the thread for the missing cap, I just missed it earlier

I mean its small and funny so its better

Cone is swedish lowranks?

Csaba is indeed worse

which does not exist anymore if i remember right.

doubt it. At least it has pen and damage

doubt again. Big he goes boom was always funny and effective enough

APCR means:
Armor
Piercing
COMPOSITE
Rigid

If you replace a tungsten core with steel, it’s an AP shell using APCR design but that doesn’t make it APCR.

APCR implies the use of a dense penetrator that isn’t steel.

HVAP would be more appropriate.

Since HVAP simply means an AP round with increased velocity.

Just because it’s not implemented in WT doesn’t mean it wasn’t like that in reality.

Here, let me blow your mind when I show you Soviet 23mm API, like for the IL-2:

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this statement is entirely wrong. Sturmpanzer has survivability, damage and relatively good reload for guaranteed kill on 1.0. Im being quiet about 180 mm HEAT, which you can use up to tier IV

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Fair enough, same principle, different materials. I’ve always thought it was just hardened penetrator with softer outer shell, I didn’t realize there was some rule about what the penetrator had to be made from.

telling me Gaijin modeled somethin incorrectly is not exactly mind blowing…

20mm AP at 800 RPM also is a lot of damage when it pens and you don’t have a couple seconds reload after a burst unlike a cannon.

A T-60 can kill a bunch of low tier tanks in seconds.

Maybe you can’t pen a Pz III but if a Pz III gets killed by a T-26-4 then because he gave him the time to aim his gun.

Unless you play the T-26-4 very defensively and make use of the low muzzle velocity to lob shells, pretty much any tank is going to kill it before it can shoot at them.

T-60 can at least bounce some shots from he front.

Wow, 180mm pen on a slow casemate that can be .50caled with a 11s reload and an effective range of 250m.

That surely is very effective.

Any tank in existence is going to disable the Sturmpanzer before it can shoot them.

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I said I’d rather use the T60 than those stuff. There are definitely stuff those tanks are better at, but I just prefer the T60.

Their mobility means I can run away from them quite easily too.

58 rounds is enough for me to take out 2 or 3 targets without reloading, not to mention being extremely potent with air targets.

I said most, and you are forgetting some of the other weird ones at 1.0

I think most of the targets I come across are pretty killable, the stuff I have trouble with are onl

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250m range? boy you’re unskilled.