Why does it seem the M1 abrams is extremely underwhelming?

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Reading M1 forums is my guilty pleasure.

Wake up, get some breakfast and read Abrams threads. Always gets the blood flowing.

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Most of the wheeled light tanks have better mobility, the hp/ton doesn’t necessarily correlate to its actual mobility (idk why).

It’s not just a 2A7/122B+ problem. I mean the 2A6 is arguably better than the M1A2 and that’s been in the game forever.

Exactly.

Gripen, Su25SM3, other F-16s, SLAMRAAM, Spyder, EMADS (Land Ceptor, Grifo, etc.), Hisar-A* would like to have a word.

The Gepard doesn’t have a 57mm or 76mm cannon, nor will it one-shot the T-64A.

If protection analysis actually showed the pennable areas around the driver’s hatch (artist’s rendition):

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Not enough to negate the better armor.

Oh well on the 0.50 cals, the mobility is actually roughly equal (the 2A6 has a better hp/ton than the M1A2, and the PSO is only lacking 0.13 hp/ton), the reload is not bad, the hull armor is better (than what the Abrams has in game), there is only a single degree difference in gun depression, they should both be allowed better thermals, no one uses hull storage anyways, the smaller ready racks (15 vs 18) don’t massively effect the tank, it still gets better hull armor, and the Abrams gets one-shotted easier anyways.

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“Leo 2A6 is worse than the M1A2” lol. Lmao, even.

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I thought I smelled SPAAs…you need Pantsir level SPAA?, I got you.

ZRAK HQ-11, Yitian 2, NASAMS, BAMSE SRSAM, GURZ, IRIS-T SL-M, Skyguard 20

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What the M1 can penetrate on a Strv 122 (Artist’s rendition) /s:

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Even the Object 292 with 804mm of LoS penetration cannot penetrate the area you painted on, let alone something with an autocannon or literally any other MBT.

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I never said it was 100% accurate lol. It was meant to point out how there’s a massive trapezoid weakspot around the driver’s hatch that covers most of the UFP.

Every shot that non-penned was outside of where I drew and every shot that penned was within the area I drew (from what I can tell). For a basic drawing, I drew the weakspot well.

(Responding to Gepard video)

Would that have happened if the guy on the right (idk if they’re the gunner or commander) wasn’t turned red-orange by the first shot? Plus, that just looks jank and unlikely to happen in most circumstances. I mean people don’t use the non-APDS rounds against more heavily-armored targets.

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In my opinion Leopard 2A5/A6 are comparable to M1A2 / M1A2 SepV1. Both has its pro/con . So it really boil down to personal preference. though M1A2 has a bit more utility wth .50cal and M830A1 (if they aren’t bug)
More balance back then if we look pass CAS problem.

But now Leopard 2 could get to have spall liner . And If DM53 has anti ERA capability ingame. Leopard 2A5/A6 would be even more better unless M829A3 also getting add.

Sigh…

I’m just going to ignore your further replies for a period of time because you’re either trolling by this point, or worse.

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Only such “huge” nation as Italy have top tier wheeled tanks that pretty capable. You can play some 11.7 - 12.7 and try to find any non-centauro wheeled light tank. And even centauro is a rare guest.

That was 100℅ true before reload buff. Now they are pretty equal.

Worse as multirole. You either meh cas with only 2 agm or meh fighter with only 2 9m.

Subsonic pure cas plane that can’t play fighter role.

Huge disappointment on release with 95% chance. Even ItO should be better overall.

Mostly consist of multiple vehicles or rarely a complete overkill for which there is no suitable opponent in the sky yet.

wdym SLAMRAAM isn’t even ingame yet.
plus it might be few AA vehicles that has longer range than ADATS that US could get without having to get into platform like MIM-104 patriot.
It would be Surface Launched AIM-120.

4 AGM65G’s which are one of the best if not the best guided munitions.

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This… might actually be right which is surprising. Usually my ufp gets lol penned but I have some ss of the test drive and it auto bounced 3bm60.
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Edit: not sure why the protection analysis says it goes straight through though?

All of these are AIO systems.

Spyder - 20km
EMADS - 25km
Hisar-A - 15km

The only overkill is EMADS.

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After the heat agm buff, they became not much different in effectiveness.

And due small amount of missiles he can’t be great at both roles as multiroles f-16c. Either too few aam and no fox3 or too few agm. Still great and strong plane but as multirole still a level lower than f-16c.

You can test its approximate effectiveness with a Harrier right now. I tried. The results were disappointing.

Distance is not the issue there. It’s about the ability to dodge the missile at some way with their advanced seekers, especially considering that you can’t hide from it even behind the terrain, because they don’t need to be guided.

Likely because you have the camera placed too high, I’ve got a chart that explains this stuff:

Hope this helps.
I’d also advice to turn off this setting in the Protection Analysis tool:

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Because Necrons crutches this horribly made video, where he is not on level ground, increasing the effective angle of the UFP.

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Rb99= AIM–120

AGM-65G

Aim-9M

BETTER flight performance than an F-16

Meh in what way?

Oh, and not to mention the large difference in countermeasures…

f16c can take
6agm + 2 9m + 2 120
6agm + 4 120
gripen can take
2agm + 2 9m + 2 120
4agm+2 9m
Do you understand now? Plus gripen have less countermeasures with 4 agm than f16c

While I agree, given the missiles that the Spyder and EMADS use are quite modern, at the end of the day they are IR-Homing.

Getting a lock with IR ground platforms can be extremely inconsistent and the lock ranges are usually half the max range so…

Spyder - 10km
EMADS - 12.5km
Hisar-A - 7.5km

Orbit bombers will still be untouchable, and helicopters sniping from heli spawn will be hard to reach, I don’t foresee anything changing really.

Regardless, this is M1 Thread. I digress.

  1. This penned
  2. This didn’t pen, my bad
  3. This penned

I missed one non-pen, which appears to be just poor luck on where the spall landed (i.e. the spall would’ve penned if it was sent elsewhere).

I mean people not playing the wheeled vehicles doesn’t mean they aren’t mobile.

A ~1 second difference in reload isn’t going to matter in the majority of circumstances, though. I’m sure most would rather have the better armor of the 2A6 (let alone the 2A7V/HU).

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4 AGM-65G or Hs is not meh.

Who cares if it’s a bad fighter? It’s the most OP CAS plane in the game (40km AGMs!!!)

I mean you might be right in terms of how Gaijin might implement it, but in terms of IRL capabilities a 15-25km range would definitely be better than the ItO.

These are all capable of functioning as a standalone vehicle (when using the Spyder AIO version).

Why does multirole capability matter when the matchmaker is for either air or ground?

The Gripen isn’t that much worse, plus its 80 large caliber CM does more than 120 small caliber CM

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