Why does it seem the M1 abrams is extremely underwhelming?

[Panther2995]

@CinnamonToePunch

I mean, he does have a point though. There’s way more click bait and AIM players than the Leo 2PL or whatever.

He doesnt.

The reason why we saw more Click-Bait and AIM players is that Us team mostly fights alone against other nations, as soon as other nations teams up with Usa situation changes rapidely.

Noticed something? When we had only 2 Leclerc on our team even SEP players left after one death cause they knew they just couldnt win against best nations, but as soon as we teamed up with better nations results changed rapidely.

Us player base doesnt suffer from massive ‘‘skill issue’’, they suffer from fighting against best nations combo while forced to use inaccurate Abrams.

[Panther2995]

@jspene

Not going to bother putting in effort into a reply when this is what I get from you.

[AlvisWisla]

T-80BVM isn’t even a top 10 tank anymore since the update that flooded the game with tanks as good as Strv 122.
It would not raise in BR, though SEP1 and 2 would likely be above it in decompression.
T-90M would obviously be above BVM as well since it’s superior.

[AlvisWisla]

Best nations?
Well the first match lacked at least half of the best tech trees, only having 2 of the good ones: Sweden and Germany, vs their equivalently good tech tree of USA.

Of course Click Bait owners typically lack extra tanks.

[Panther2995]

@AlvisWisla

Well the first match lacked at least half of the best tech trees, only having 2 of the good ones: Sweden and Germany

Sweden and Germany are already the best nations in Ground Rb, what are you even talking about?

Imagine calling Sweden and Germany just “Good”, especially Sweden…

[Necrons31467]

@jspene

I say all of this to make the point that the Abrams is not bad; quite good actually. But you need to be good at the game and have a good understanding of its mechanics to perform well in it.

Also backed up by this:

War Thunder: Armored Apex Breakdown

@SPANISH_AVENGER

Again; if a tank only needs you to drive it forward for it to get kills by itself

No such tank exists.

This is just hyperbole for dramatic effect.

[P1tZO]

@SPANISH_AVENGER

I am sorry if I am not willing to spend the entire match hiding behind a rock near my spawn zone constantly smashing my keyboard to spastically pull back and forth to only show 0.1 pixels of my tank for 0.2 seconds to shoot at someone who may hopefully be on my LOS

how is this a bad strat? your whole counter argument is this doesnt help the team but I recall that dropping a nuke should in theory help the team

@SPANISH_AVENGER

And I can and will do that way better with many tanks other than the Abrams.

why would you knowingly use a strategy that a tank does not allow? sounds like a recipe for failure.

@SPANISH_AVENGER

If that makes me a “bad player”, so be it, then- but I will have way more fun

not a valid point. everyone’s idea of “fun” is subjective

[AlvisWisla]

The best are USA for volume of best ammo’d great tanks, Germany for armor of 1 tank with 2 other T-80BVM armored backups, Sweden with 3 T-90M armored Leopards with lesser rounds.

Then bringing up positions 5 - 7 there’s Italy, Soviets, and China. Italy tying with Soviets due to that Leopard 2A7HU. Funny what 1 better T-90M tank would do for a tech tree’s strength when Italy already has better CAS & CAP.

Which leaves Israel for 8.
With France & Japan as the “weakest” lineups.

[Panther2995]

@AlvisWisla

The best are USA for volume of best ammo’d great tanks, Germany for armor of 1 tank with 2 other T-80BVM armored backups, Sweden with 3 T-90M armored Leopards with lesser rounds.

Tell me you have no idea about Top tier without telling me you have no idea…

[CinnamonToePunch]

@Panther2995

The reason why we saw more Click-Bait and AIM players is that Us team mostly fights alone against other nations, as soon as other nations teams up with Usa situation changes rapidely.

This happens because theres more click baits to put on one team.

@Panther2995

When we had only 2 Leclerc on our team even SEP players left after one death cause they knew they just couldnt win against best nations

Or because they realized playing with AIM/Click bait players is hopeless?

[CinnamonToePunch]

Don’t take Alvis seriously, hes a known troll

[Panther2995]

@CinnamonToePunch

This happens because theres more click baits to put on one team.

Buddy real problem comes from mm.

80 percent of the time Us fights alone, thats why we so many Aim/Click-Bait players.

[CinnamonToePunch]

@Panther2995

80 percent of the time Us fights alone, thats why we so many Aim/Click-Bait players.

Thats literally not how it works. Because so many players are playing AIMs or Click-Baits, the US has so many players they need to be put together, leaving no real room for other nations.

[Panther2995]

Thats just an excuse.

We know that if Gaijin wants they can limit the amount of Click-Bait players for every match.

They did this for tech tree vehicles when they performed to well, same principle can be applied to premium/squadron vehicles to.

But i guess limiting the amount of premium vehicles per match doesnt suit Gaijin’s marketing.

[MekboyVN_068]

@P1tZO

why would you knowingly use a strategy that a tank does not allow? sounds like a recipe for failure.

SPANISH_AVENGER:

Ironnically, if we take Chally 2 and Russian T series to this argument:

• Chally 2 can’t ultilize speed and acceleration to reach destination
• T-series can’t do peek and hide or ultilize gun depression

Flanking is a no go for Chally 2
CQB is a no go for T-series

Yet Abrams can do those strategy better then most of their counterparts

[БрИт4нСкUй_П0дС0С]

@Panther2995

They did this for tech tree vehicles when they performed to well, same principle can be applied to premium/squadron vehicles to.

They can’t. Back then the game just created matches with br (max_br - 1) and not higher so there was a limit of 4 players with top br.

[Panther2995]

@БрИт4нСкUй_П0дС0С

They can’t. Back then the game just created matches with br (max_br - 1) and not higher so there was a limit of 4 players with top br.

They can, this game designed by Gaijin and if they really want it they can find a solution for this mess.

[SpeclistMain1]

@Necrons31467

Also backed up by this:

Tries to defend how “good” the Abrams is.
Shows a video commentating on a tournament where the US got the most stacked lineup, with the best the other teams had to offer being:

• Challenger 3 TD
• CV 90120
• Ariete AMV/Centauro 120
• Leclerc (idk which variant is the best, pick one lol)
• 2A5/ 2 PL
• T-80BVM
• Type 10
• ZTZ99A/VT4A1
• Merkava Mk.4M

They didn’t allow most light tanks in the game (some of which are the main issues the Abrams have) and they didn’t allow the 2A6, PSO, 2A7V, 2A7HU, 122A, 122 PLSS, 122B+, T-90M, SEP, or the SEPv2.

When you remove most of the tanks that make the Abrams terrible, the Abrams becomes good. Shocker.

[БрИт4нСкUй_П0дС0С]

According to you it comes out that it’s the second best tank in the game right after the top leopards… That pretty much makes it a good tank.

[CinnamonToePunch]

The budget source he brought up conflicts with that, saying the SEP has improved FRONTAL armor. It never says just turret armor.