Lets just get back on topic and stop arguing about the Challenger 2s performance in that area in Europe lol.
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And the topic was ammo explosion, from which i’ve never steped away from. So anyway, yeah. If your ammo in hull - your turret will pop-off with quite big chance when ammo explosion. Moreover, even Abrams can have its turrets pop-off, if its door in bustle was opened during ammo explosion (and actually even when its closed, with a really small chance)
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They aren’t artificially buffed.
T-80BVM has exactly the armor it has IRL, that’s not a buff, that’s not even artificial.
You have access to classified documents? The exact protection value the relict ERA provides and the T-80BVs armour are both classified from my understanding.
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the t80bv armour is far from classified
Relict either way is 100% classified and DOES provide kinetic protection therefore we don’t know the overall protection the T-80BVM has.
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T-80BV’s armor was declassified in the early 1990s, & the composite composition hasn’t changed since to anyone’s knowledge.
So even if it did change, in-game T-80BVM uses unclassified 1980s/early 1990s composite.
And T-90M will likely use the same as T-72B 1989 & T-90A in WT at least.
As for Relikt, IDK if that’s classified or not. I haven’t researched that yet, but it should be more effective than Kontakt 5, and it is more effective in WT by adding another ~66% improvement against kinetic rounds, and that’s likely in-response to DM53 & M829A2, etc.
You can’t have nice things, you’ll get a Leopard designed for urban warfare that is bad against tanks because reasons.
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T-90M will likely use the same as T-72B 1989 & T-90A in WT at least
The composite in the T-90Ms turret is completely different to the composites in the T-72B 1989. On the case of Relikt it is indeed classified but we know it serves good kinetic protection for the T-80BVM.
Recently Russia announced the manufacturing of new T-80 tanks, this will most likely include new composite makeup and much higher protection against both chemical and kinetic penetrators. Depending on Gaijins stance they could easily update the in-game model to the newer T-80BVM standard or make another variant in-game.
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Well yeah, turret’s different. I was speaking hull in that case, and I apologize for not specifying enough for that.
If Gaijin adds another T-80, such as new production, I expect them to copy T-72B’s hull composite for it as it’s the latest unclassified armor, and turret IDK, but likely a known composite.
Then it’ll be potentially as inaccurate as Leclerc, just without any unclassified documents.
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because the turret itself is different it uses the one of the t90a which iirc its not classified either
I was speaking hull in that case
Thought you were talking about the turret ma bad lol.
t90a which iirc its not classified either
I’d assume something at least changed between the T-90A and T-90M turret wise even if it’s just a small improvement.
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Weird since the T-80 turret can be penned anywhere there’s no ERA.
Did you forget it is slathered in ERA that defends it from DM53? Thus making the ‘lolpen turret’ not actually ‘lolpen’?
Lolpen is hitting a short turret M1 with Mango. You have to aim with intent to non pen in order to non pen.
The BVM turret is not ‘lolpen’ unless it’s been hit by a Zuni and all the ERA is gone.
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T-80BVM’s turret has more weakspots than Leopard 2PL’s turret. It’s ERA coverage isn’t that great.
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Leopard 2PL turret is 133% to 150% the size of a T-80BVM turret and has a very slightly smaller weak area.
Leo 2PL turret is “lolpen” right? Because if it’s not I would most certainly like to see your “lolpen” BVM turret.
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M829A3, A4, OFL 120 F2, SHARD, DM53 underperforming
AZUR kit is NERA, at least that’s what most sources point to, others point out to being multiple layers of ERA mixed with NERA, Leclerc S21 missing titanium in its armor, Leclerc’s UFP. (Sry I’m ranting about one vehicle in particular but i don’t know enough about the other ones)
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DM53 pens 700mm at 2000 meters in War Thunder. That’s accurate enough.
As for the other rounds you mentioned, we’re a bit too early for those. Don’t have the new BRs quite yet.
Tho it’ll be interesting to see SHARD on everything from Type 10 to Merkava on top of Leclerc.
Anti NERA tip not being modelled.
You’re the one who wanted the game to be as close as reality as possible.
Even taking balance into account, how is it too early ? OFL F2 and SHARD are probably DM 53 like or maybe a bit better
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the dm53 on the l55 can already defeat the kontakt 5 on the t72b3 or the t80u so the main change would be that now the ones fired on the l44 would also be able to pen them and the range where the l55 also able to, it wouldnt be able to defeat relikt anyways, anti-era tips reduce the effectiveness of heavy era, they dont completely neglect them.
would still help at being more reliable against K5
And there is the list of all other rounds missing
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