I thought I wasn’t being particularly cryptic by providing an example that shows how a gap between two vehicle’s introduction dates doesn’t mean one is vastly superior to the other.
I have no idea why you’re so hyper fixated on this simple analogy, it doesn’t even matter what vehicle I choose because there’s countless other examples you can make up yourself.
- Insert 2006 MEXAS Leopard -vs- 1968 T-64A here -
There, that better?
The problem is how you were trying to equate the Puma to the T-72B when they aren’t the same class of vehicle just to show that DOI =/= capability, might as well have used the Leopard 2AV which shares the BR with the T-72B but is arguably better and well, an MBT.
I have no idea why you’re so hyper fixated on this simple analogy
Because the OC was talking about ammunition used by MBTs, and you used the Puma which isn’t an MBT, and doesn’t fire MBT-grade ammunition to create an analogy that at a deeper glance is dumber than it appears on the surface? That’s why I made the “didn’t know Puma was an MBT” comment and why I’m so fixated on that “analogy”. You could’ve used basically anything else, like the aformentioned M60 AMBT and no one would bat an eye, because well, it’s an MBT. What else, the Leopard 2AV which also shares the BR with the T-72B, there’s also the Challenger 1 Mk.3, really a load of options to choose from.
I don’t feel like wasting further time on something as utterly pointless as this. We both understand the point behind eachother’s comments, let’s just leave it at that.
So, I wanted to ask you something on a different topic, is this thing real?
I can’t seem to find any concrete evidence that this specific vehicle/gun combination existed, though I’m sure I could’ve missed it.
It exists but not in the form of a 130mm, aside from that it was a tech demonstrator and shares a lot of similarities with the singaporian Leopard 2SG armour package wise
In this specific config, no.
The vehicle itself is the Leopard 2 ATD:
However in real life it doesn’t have the 130mm and isn’t called “Revolution II”.
But it can, easily?
Thought as much, bummer.
Thought it could’ve been an interesting alternative to the Leopard 2A7V.
Obviously the gun is vulnerable, but aside from that there’s only a pixel tall strip along the LFP that when penetrated, only kills the engine.
The Leopard 2A4 is free to return fire, all whilst the 2S38 can’t harm it’s crew.
I’ve also never been frontally penetrated by a 2S38 when playing my Leopard 2A4, even if there’s a pixel-sized weakspot somewhere, that’s not enough for opponents to accurately hit with the first shot in actual matches.
I could do this a million times, but I think the point gets across with 5 times in a row xD
This is also including an additional ~30º angle from the positioning.
I don’t even know where the 2S38v2A4 discussion came from, but that statement was so wrong I just had to xD.
Also you don’t have to zoom out.
Not at all.
Correcting the camera angle so that the Angle of Attack (Protection Analysis) or Impact Angle (Armor viewer) matches the constructional LOS angle is more than enough:
What if leo player not a complete noob and takes 16 shells? As any normal person do?
Right side and crew then
They are all sitting one behind the other xD
It takes a lot more than 1 shot. A leopard will always have enough time to shoot and kill you before you finish him off. Not breaking the leopard’s gun in first 1-2 shots = dead 2s38.
Even then, considering we are talking about a 10.0 Light Tank (SPAA, actually) engaging front-to-front a 10.3 Main Battle Tank, I can’t see what would be out of place in this engagement hahah
It’s the point that was lost along the way.
Going back to the post Necrons was responding to: a Puma can actually kill a T-72B frontally through the driver and gunner optics, but it’s incredibly impractical. Whether you’re in a Puma or a 2S38, facing MBTs frontally is sub-optimal.
Well, yep- and it should be… IFVs and SPAAs aren’t meant to engage MBTs from the front!
If only f&f missles now actualy would work right and get the ability to pen mbtsbfrom the front as well
