I can not believe this goober, bro the Leopard 2A7 is literally the second most armored tank in the game, with extreme mobility alone with the best gun in the game.
the only tanks more armored than the leopard 2A7 are the STRV 122s which are literally leopards with some fancy stuff slapped on top
if you use a T series tank, you have the same weak spots from 9.3 to 11.7, that gives a lot of room for people to learn them and figure out how to kill you very effectively
except it wasn’t much of a problem when sweden had 2 better 2a7v for years
suddenly germany gets a armored tank its the usual op bla bla bla stuff
even tho the same weakspots remain and new are created because of gaijins way of modeling? german tanks…
meanwhile people making bug reports and they just get deleted or added as “suggestion” which means
We could, but we don’t ;)
Also i like to remain all those die hard ru defenders that when it was 2 years point and click any nato tank (except strv122 and chally 2) it was the “skill issue” of nato players
now they have to aim and bla bla op
even on tanks that are the easiest to 1shot kill (leopard 2a4) are hard to kill now
except on half of the russian tanks you shoot the driver viewport kill the driver miss the ammo because of a suddenblackhole and kill the engine
Guess what happens next ? right you die :)
or next example:
you shoot a t80bvm/t72b3/t90m
in the side perfect angle
200mm “armor” stop a 650mm dart
you know what happens next ? right you die again
And all those “oopsies” are common on ru tanks interestingly :)
Meanwhile nato tanks armor get a ke modifier or rubber …;)
Except what exactly?
this happens WAY more often with NATO tanks, generally when you get penned in a NATO tank some dies and something breaks and you die, if you get penned in a T series you just die
I know this VERY well, my Favorite line up I have so far is 10.3 Britain, so challenger 1 mk.3 and T-90 Bhishma.
if you make one wrong move in the T-90 you’re dead, you cannot back up, your tank can’t depress it’s gun enough to even hit people if you’re on higher ground and and if you miss you’re done for, that 7.1 second reload is insane
china has no armour too so yknow, we feel you
even in my challenger 2, which is known for being VERY bad at top tier I can easily smack T-90s and T-80s but I don’t even want to face off against Leopards, they’re just so heavily armoured
Listen what I’m not saying is the USSR tech tree isn’t hand held and spoon fed everything it wants until it becomes an actual problem child(because it is), but what I am saying is thinking NATO has no heavily armoured top tiers is a joke
So, ignoring the Imprenetrable fortress they call the Abram’s turret, and the Leopard 2’s as well, yeah, hulls of them are a bit papery, but they have high gun depression so they can attack from hills, like they are designed to, so they don’t show off those papery places, even still, they aren’t modeled correctly. In the case of the Strv 122’s, they are, I guess, now technically NATO tanks, but at their conception, they were not.The real question is, if the T-80U is properly modeled in game, why didn’t Sweden choose protection over a slight mobility buff?
The only classified part of RELIKT is the explosive compound they used (4S24 for hard plate), they even public the method how the RELIKT work and currently no APFSDS can “pass-through” it.
You forgot to add “trust me bro”.
Doubt, if it is only said no APFSDS it is very vague, and i doubt it can stop every APFSDS in existence completly. Also another thing where would Russia get for example Leo2A7 to shoot DM 73 at it? They can say about their homemade APFSDS.
thats funny, since multiple sources, and Ukraine shows that relikt isn’t doing half of what they said it could do.
Because T-80U wasnt only russian but it also had downsides such as ammo choice for export/development being limited, mobility, crew survivability (lack of blowout panels), etc.
Because Strv 122 is actually better protected all around than the T-80U?
Not really, but also yes, it’s “less armor” but at a greater angle, as for side/all around protection, that’s isn’t that big of an issue unless in open fields or deserts, one a rarity more than the other in Sweden. If down a path like seen in the testing videos and enemy vehicles are at the end near a field, most of the side would be protected, as Sweden’s roads, in non city-centers, were usually lower than the earth around them, similar to American and German motorways. Also, a notable advantage of the Strv 121/2 is its short startup time in the case of an emergency as it is Diesel compared to the lengthy process of a Turbine-Diesel, which was a notable complaint from Strv 103 crews, as the engine had to idle for some time before being at “full power,” also, the Diesel engine of the Leopard 2/Strv 121/2 has a higher torque output at the shaft, so it can climb better terrain, and its rubber tracks give better grip on pavement and mud compared to the Russian metal “cleat” tracks designed for snow, and more notably, ice. I’m sure survivability was a key factor, as with all Western tanks, while USSR/Russian tank doctrine was more of a Cerberus tactic, where “you cut off one head (tank) two more shall take its place.” Which, funnily enough has seen higher casualties (duh) yet have a higher success rate. (See WWII)
No, it’s straight up better all around. Frontally it isn’t even a contest (in-game representation of 122s armour is very wrong, it is missing a lot of it, and at higher angles the side hull armour is missing ((in the areas covered by the heavy skirts)) about ~450mm RHAe against KE).
I added a statement from German in the second images.
Nah, the K5 and RELIKT is designed to “reduce” the impact of the rounds, they still need good armor after it, not completly stopping it, you can either “pass through it” like DM53, M829A3 and 3BM42M dealing with K5 or uses enough force to brute force through the ERA.
Their rounds since 3BM-42M and later is designed to punch through ERA/NERA but since their main anti tank role is now the missile and tank who shoot first will win first, they are just too lazy to producing new rounds, focus on FCS/Optics like the West much more easier
The image of the T-80BVM got pen through the space between two brick of RELIKT (it does not exloded), i know that.
Most tanks in Ukraine destroyed by mines/drone/arty which is the zone that K1 used, both side rarely show the damages the tank took then got recovered, sometimes the drones do all the job then still claim it was destroyed by anti tanks weapon.
I wouldn’t say most motorways in America are below the ground around them, usually they’re about level with the ground unless it’s a major city road (where then the elevation of the road really depends on the geography of the city).
Last I checked, DM53/63 are not “currently no APFSDS can pass-through it”, there are more KEP out there y’know?
Like M829A4, or SHARD Mk.1 (both meant to deal with Relikt).
