Merkavas were made to spend their fighting lives in one small section of land. Hydrogas is still going to be more complex than torsion bars. If it’s so similar to the chieftain can you swap out barrels and breeches without issue? NATO compatibility is pretty important and they only recently figured that one out
the game doesnt even have .303 its just generic 7.7mm copypaste
all tanks are really made to do that. only difference is that the americans have dragged all of us into sandpits far too often as of late
direct lineage doesnt mean interchangability.
the only reason the US has any compatibility is because they forced the rest of us to use their calibres, we would all be on our own gauges and calibres and do just fine otherwise
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What about countries with varied terrain? What about roads and bridges? What about airlifts? I know you guys cant help it but you can’t blame the US for everything.
Need I remind you who made the NATO 120mm? Hell, you guys made the NATO 105, take some pride in that.
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i know this is different for an american but over here in england we have farms, moors and the ocassional large hill, its not much different on the european mainland, however they have a few different hills and more sunshine.
rubber pads on tracks
bridges in the UK and EU (unless marked otherwise) are restricted to 44000KG, no matter what a tank its not crossing it safely
the RH-120? yea its Rheinmetall and what? just like the Royal Ordinance L7 105mm, it became a standard out of exceptionality, not via forcing armies to use it unlike standards such as the 5.56mm or pretty much anything else american tbh.
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Being a NATO member, ability to perform well alongside other MBT’s in many terrain types is necessary. Being a very heavy tank means it’s harder on stuff like temporary bridges and airlifters. Say what you will but an extremely heavy tank like the CR2 or 3 is almost always worse logistically and mobility wise than a lighter counterpart, that’s why the M1A2 SEPv4 was cancelled and M1E3 was started.
I’ve made my points, it’s getting pretty clear you just hate on the US for anything.
We’re losing our taipans and tigers because of it 😿
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Being a nation designing their own tank, the ability to perform well alongside allies tanks on the terrain they are most likley to be fighting on is neccessary, making it work in places it wont ever see adds pointless cost.
yea, but challenger isnt even that much heavier than its counterparts, its the heaviest but not by a massive margin.
ironic from you.
there is one thing americans do well, logistics. if a military can deploy a damn burger van anywhere in the world within 24 hours they are quite something. we however arent discussing this, only individual pieces of equipment
shame honestly
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Not much heavier than a fully kitted abrams from memory.
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people forget that every tank in full battle load is unbelievably obese, only focus on Challenger.
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Falling into that self-fuelling victim complex is counterproductive to the debate and overall just looks bad
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A certain ongoing conflict kind of proves that wrong. Being able to perform in a wide variety of environments is a huge advantage especially on the export market, which is where this whole debate stemmed from
Be real funny if that terrain wasn’t uncommon in Europe, proving their argument.
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you mean the mud bog that is ukraine? yea the whole rest of the continent is exactly that kind of land completley negates my argument doesnt it?
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Yeah so a fully loaded up Abrams with all the extra attachments is as heavy as a CR2, that isn’t exactly a good thing. Although Caernavron is absolutely right that the CR2 isn’t heavier by a huge margin, it’s counterparts are already pushing it with stuff like airlifters
Aye, aside the bells and whistles are already present on chally when considering the weight, so they generally aren’t adding extra crap.
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Didn’t challengers get stuck in the mud?
Such as?
no more than all the other hand-me-downs ukraine has gotten, same war where they have lost almost every single abrams.
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