Dont care about usa supremacy.
Its just a copy paste slop that will bring nothing.
Dev confirm it that its not gonna be added to the usa tree.
Wanna cry ?
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Gaijin could give UFOs with teleportation missiles and you guys would still have a low win rate
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Entirely untrue and you know it. Till they handed Russia tons of absurd stuff Russian WR were in the dumpster. The main impact on WR is how good vehicles are and how easy they’re too play.
The issue with winrates is that they rely to heavily on unrelated factors to reflect vehicle performance.
So even an incredibly powerful vehicle might achieve low winrate if other vehicles in the lineup don’t perform as well and it is played by / matched into teams with generally less experienced players.
Take the Leopard 2A4 for example. The same tank is found in many nations, but the stats and winrates are very different.
This doesn’t mean the tanks are better or worse than eachother, but simply that these values are skewed by external factors that need to be accounted for first becore coming to conclusions.
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Come again?
That’s due to the players, not the vehicles
besides the F18 early and thats just because its so unfathomably undertiered for having AIM-7Ms, theres not a single plane worth anyones time in the US tech tree after like, idk 9.0 maybe excluding the F16s
maybe because novermber is before the not even built yet 4.5 gen aircraft with a SU57 engines and radar, the hulled down crewless turret invincible monster with more post pen than BMP APDS, and the autoloaders that outdo NATO manual loaders on everything that isnt the T90 were all added? wait till the december numbers come out and i guarantee russia is easily gonna have over a 70% winrate in realistic air and ground
Not even the:
F-4E
F-5E
F-8s
F-111F
F-15A/C/E/GE
A-10s
Av-8C
F-100
F-104s
?
They still almost all reload universally slower.
Also the air winrate won’t be that insane because the Rafale exists. It’s arguably better, and isn’t going to be on both sides.
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just having AIM-9Ls at 11.7 isnt great when youre fighting F18s, MIG-23MLs, and mirages with magics
fine (?), decent but powercrept, abysmally useless, epitome of DOA
way too slow and having slightly above average missiles for the BR doesnt do much
not good, just annoying to deal with, theyre actually extremely easy to kill if youre focused on killing it
you mean the plane that rips its own wings trying to turn? i mean its ok i guess, nothing special
only two missiles and everyones faster than you anyways, and usually have countermeasures for the sad 2 AIM-9Js, only really good if someone tries turn fighting it for some reason
1- they dont. Most NATO tanks have an absolute maximum of 6s seconds and thats if you spend millions of SL and hours of playtime on crew training, aswell as GE, while russian players get it like that straight out of the box
2- the few tanks that do out reload (abrams, leclerc, ariete) are all so sad in every other aspect that the 1s reload difference is basically useless.
Lower thrust output
worse turn rate
less missile count
lower missile range
worse radar
slightly better seeker head
idk sounds like the SM2 might have a slight neck up
leave these out
If you got to top tier with no max reload crew then it’s entirely on you, idk don’t buy your way to top tier next time
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you still need to expert the vehicle with SL and GE?
Calling a plane with a good radar, 12 decent missiles, plenty of CMs, and acceptable flight performance DOA is a take.
They are still decent CAS, and aren’t utterly useless in air RB. Also the AV-8C is an amazing plane, just like the A. At 9.7 its slower speed isn’t that bad, especially with how good 9Gs are at that BR.
The F-100 is a top 3 9.3 plane, and the F-104s aren’t weak either.
Bait or severe skill issue, you decide
It’s easily tied for the best 11.0 plane with the Mig-21bis, and is a very great plane.
It has a decent missile loadout for its BR, and they are worth playing.
Most still only reload in 7 seconds, and even the BVM tops out at 6.4, with a weak round for its BR. Plus the reload “advantage” is balanced out by poor mobility, survivability, gun handling, and reverse speeds.
Are you saying that an Su-30 turns better than a Rafale??
WVR the Rafale dominates every other plane, and it’s only weak in BVR. Even then, any decent player will easily notch any missiles coming towards them, and then force a closer fight where MICAs work best in.
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I wouldn’t exactly call them worth not playing, especially the AV-8.
it’s very DOA, 12 of the worst missiles at top tier and DOA flight perf compared to other 14.3s
and BOLs can be more of a downside than an upside, plus the radar is mostly worse than all the other planes just introduced
in fact calling the F-15C GE not DOA makes you look very disingenuous
thrust vectoring, canards, aoa limiter, and higher thrust so, yeah. either way its gonna kill the rafale before its even in mica range since the SM2 can launch while notching for some reason
most as in only the other half of the top tier lineup? only the T-72s and T-90s are still 7 seconds, all T80s and 64s are 6, thats half of the MBT lineup.
please tell me youre joking
gimmicky at best
they kinda are, considering theyre slow platforms with 1 flare missiles, only the AV8A is really decent and even then its average at best
worse than its competition by a good couple hundred miles (SU25) purely because of speed, but also because of loadout. A-10 is carried by low BR 65Ds and the AV-8 only gets dumb bombs and rockets. the top tier two are an extremely obsolete A-10 and the AV-8 might get one strafe if its lucky
so far youre the first person ive seen call the F15CGE good. Its engines are extremely underpowered, its gun is off center for a dogfighter, it gets some of the worst fox-3s in game, and its radar isnt even good anymore for 14.3. maybe slightly below average? the BOL pods are a crutch that dont help it that much since when will you ever need that many CMs
The F-111 is just fast but its a boat that cant do anything but third party, the A-10 has a lot of CM and a good gun, but wont go past 700, the AV-8C has nothing, bad turning performance, bad only 2 AIM-9G, the heat signature of the fvcking sun, those 3 are just not it.
A somewhat competent Rafale player will not die to an R-77-1. TVC and an AOA limiter are gimmicks at best, the Rafale also has canards, and the higher thrust offsets is much higher drag. A competent rafale player will almost always beat a competent Su-30SM2 player.
The T-64A went from a below average 9.3 to an average 9.3, and it isn’t 9.7 worthy.
The T-64B was moved from 9.7 to 10.0 right before the changes went live.
The T-80B was the only other tank that went to a 6 second reload with its best round, and I don’t think it is worthy of being higher than an M1A1.
The T-80Us won’t be super powerful due to a half a second reload decrease, however the UD should probably be 10.7 now that it’s better than the TURMS.
The T-72 reload buff is negligible, but it does affect almost every other autoloaded Russian tank.
Russian tanks aren’t survivable against somewhat useful enemies. They will still be worse than nato tanks in regards to mobility, gun handling, and reverse speeds.
It’s one of the better 9.7s, and highly underrated.
For CAS, both the harriers suck for their BRs, but the A-10s do seem to be decent. They’re also better CAS than anything Russia has at the same BRs.
I never called it good, I just said calling it DOA isn’t a good take. Now that it has more missiles, I would hesitate to call it DOA, compared to its earlier state.
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It’s still blatantly DOA, especially when there’s planes that literally out-everything it at an identical BR