This is interesting to me, as you could still defeat 9M in a Eurofighter or SM2.
Or, in another word, why would “more” flares work better at all?
Shouldn’t the seeker always be defeated with one single well placed flare?
The thing is though. This was never an issue for the Harrier Gr7 for the 15 months prior to the Gripen being added (with the same amount of BOL). Nor on aircraft with 2x BOL such as the Tonka or Viggen. Was only ever an issue on the Gripen…
The solution was also stupid, as it nerfed everything unfairly, even those that were never a problem and it continues to be nerfed to this day, even though such tactics owuldnt be a big deal between the realistic burn time reduction, reduction in MP and shift in meta. Heck, they could have also just reduced the Gripens BOL count.
Its 1/4 the strength of regular chaff and BOL should be stronger than regular chaff… It barely works.
I have no idea. But in a test with a friend on the forums. 2x Flares (drops in pairs) were ignored by the R-60, and it wasnt until 8 were released that the R-60 was finally spoofed.
Sad Gripen noises.
I didn’t have the gripen at that time, only the harrier. perhaps it was due the combination of superb flight model , missiles and countermeasures suite. Harrier lacked the flight model part.
Not trying to justify the multiple nerfs over the years. However, at the release it was absurdly strong and needed adjustment, they just overdid it like how they usually do. especially the flares as chaff still somewhat works reliably.
I got the Swiss manual (issued 1980, latest additions from 1996):
As a MiG 25 player, i’ve had really big issues fighting them in late game.
The dive-down and shoot tactic relies on the fact that they target is unaware and has hot engines. R-40TD would often lock very late, to a point where i was already at relatively very low alititudes, and perhaps already at spotting distance; Turn-fighting in a Foxbat against a Tigre would just result in me returning to the hangar. At certain flight regimes, the tigre can temporarily out accellerate the Boxfat.
Overall if they’re aware of you, those things are very annoying to face, as they can force close in fights, where they will win if you commit.
As most other respondents already said, the flight models shouldn’ve been touched.
The radar is usually a non-issue. For the jets i’ve been using that have non-PD radars, i would just leave it either in RWS (SRC mode in-game) and try to approximate the behaviour of TWS, or just lock at longer ranges, most players tend to dismiss locks until it turns to a launch. By the off-chance that they do chaff it away, i can just find the player by the chaff trail they left on radar, or refocus on another.
I feel often like EEGS is a detriment (i miss more with it than i do with just raw-dogging it and trusting the force) in dogfights, so i usually don’t use it.
considering that the F5E is at 11.0 where it faces planes that are much faster than it and have much more and better missiles and radars, i think a pd radar is fair considering it doesnt have radar missiles and its only reliable weapons are cannons that don’t punch that hard.
…but the aircraft never had a PD radar in Swiss service.
What would rather be better (and something between US and Thai F-5E’s) would be to give it the AIM-9P-4 the aircraft had in the implemented modification stage (and still has, to this day). P-5 too, but that would possibly rise it to an even more uncomfortable BR.
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To what?
Swiss F5 already IS at an uncomfortable level.
In GSB it’s in top tier. :D What more can GJ do to it?
With 11.7 it would be fine. But I fear the IRCCM and smokeless AIM-9P-5 would push it to 12.0.