And that my friend, is the mystery.
Press x to doubt.
Or maybe they’re referring to American missiles only?
Cause r-37 during testing hit a target (Tu-19, a bomber) at 300km
and thats without other factors like has any Meteor nation done such a test? I dont think ive ever heard of a Typhoon, Rafale or Gripen yeeting a Meteor at a target at extreme range, likely because they dont want to announce to the world what it can actually achieve.
It definitely sounds like the usual american policy of “we are the best in a vacuum therefore we are the best”
idk what to tell you
thats a direct quote from the USAF
https://www.acc.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2572542/f-15c-records-longest-known-missile-shot/
and it has since been exceeded News | RTX's Raytheon achieves longest known AMRAAM® shot | RTX
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That is the same reason why dual pulse is great, its literally just using the propellant more efficiently, nothing more nothing less, yet its very impactful on the missiles that use it. To that i have a question for @kizvy you know more about this stuff than me, how impactfull would dual pulse be on a missile which burns for as much as the aim174b does? Is there any information on how long r37m burns?, its a bit smaller but its very much the same class as aim174b right?
Its probably just press miswording it. I think it’s longest known american fighter shot.
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Its predecessor r-33 burns for 13.5 seconds, boost-sustain.
In a situation where r-33 has 120km range, r-37m gets 200km
More impactful on smaller missiles due to how much more force it takes to propel a bigger, heavier missile than a smaller, lighter one.
Pretty much
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do you have anything to confirm or deny that the r-37m has a boost-sustain-boost burn? i’ve seen that being said but nothing good for bug reports
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That went over my head, my thought was that in the same scenario the constraints that the small size has on the amount of fuel that is usable would result in dual pulse being even more effective because of the more efficient high altitude burns.
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yeah
larger missiles can have a higher mass fraction of fuel
so it takes a smaller percent of the missiles fuel to produce a given delta V
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That’s not true, the UK operates AIM-120D from our F-35B’s;
Also SDB-II was purchased for F-35B as a stand in for SPEAR 3;
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How was f15e better? F15l had spice bombs
plus germany has also procured 120D´s for their F-35´s too (seems to be a trend since no EU weapons are really integrated)
There is no excuse beyond gaijin wanting to give china a 14.7 to have the j-15t being at 14.7 like what is it doing there genuinely.
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it was not
if anything the F15I was much better because F15E only gets 60 pops of countermeasures with a targeting pod
The F-15I released with no mavericks at all, so the F-15I was considerably worse for the first month.
After that the F-15I got 65Ds making them roughly equal.
In june 2025 the F-15E got the considerably better targeting pod, 2-3 months later (september 2025) the F-15I got Spice 1000/2000 which makes the F-15I slightly better.
f-15l got spice bomb on the belly pylons later on
I wasnt aware it had no mavs early on.