Yeah this thread is off the rails.
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This thread in a nutshell:
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It’s always the US fanboys that do this, no one can have anything remotely capable to them. That includes allied and hostile nations.
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So I go off of sales and combat record.
F-35 excellent.
Su-57 non-existent.
The people that do know put their money where it counts. And where it counts is showing the Su-57 is worthless compared to the F-35
The F-22 is equally useless and nonexistent by your standards… It’s arguably worse than both the Su-57 and F-35
Sure nothing to do with the 11 nations that are partners in the F-35 programme…
It’s economies of scale more people buy it the more you make. Arms procurement is also politically motivated. The Su-57 could have been an F-22 on steriods yet no one in NATO would buy it.
Ahem… the same can easily be levelled at Russian Fans.
Same for the French (just mention ‘Rafale’ and summon an internet argument in sub 30s).
The Chinese, the Germans… the goes on.
In fact, any nation main in War Thunder…
Apart from us Brits. We owned 2/3 of the planet so we pretty much worked the nationalistic stuff out of our systems a few centuries ago…
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"The Su-30MKI stomps almost all opposition. "
Uh huh… this would be the same Sukhois the Indian Air Force is seeking to augment with Rafale (or Typhoon at one point), yes?
Obviously you need to get in touch with the IAF and tell them that they don’t need any of that decadent Western stuff. An old knacked Sukhoi (of vintage 24 years ago) is more than enough to stomp all opposition!
Before you whip out the claims of exercise mock kills - don’t bother. The fact that some parties feel the need to run to newspapers and claim that they ‘annihilated’ this or that opponent in an exercise speaks more to their own insecurities than anything else.
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Yeah…? The Su-30MKI is a pure air superiority fighter… Why WOULDN’T you want a naval-capable strike aircraft to supplement it?
They do? As I’ve said, the only reason they’re buying French aircraft is due to their diplomatic ties with France, and because it fills in the very important air/ground capability that India lacked.
You’d imagine that after the swathes of idiots getting shot down for mentioning years, you’d take a hint…
What?
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The Su-30MKI never once served in Europe.
Russia doesn’t operate the Su-30MKI.
They do have air superiority? Name me one fighter jet west of the frontline that offers any opposition to ground strikes and air operations.
Did anybody say they were? The only person crying and whining about Russian losses and Ukraine is you… Take a hint and admit you’ve lost the plot.
COPE India? The Su-30MKI hasn’t seen any other aircraft sorties beyond that, with its only uses being for air to ground strikes in Pakistan.
Oh boy, we LOVE
Well whatever they operate. Not really the point. Their planes are proving incapable of operating in modern war. Whereas US planes are proving it in the contests over Iran.
I mean, Ukraine is only operating a handful of second hand F-16s. They are also still learning how to fly them. The rest of their stuff? Russian.
You clearly don’t know what that means:
“Air Superiority is a concept that has been the goal of military commanders since fighter aircraft were invented. Air Superiority means having total control of the airspace above a battlefield or theatre of conflict.”
Currently Russian air attacks are largely glide bombs launched from outside Ukrainian air space. The inability to operate freely in Ukrainian air space is the very definition of a lack of Air superiority.
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The 35S and 30SM are the most modern of the Flankers currently on the books of the VKS I believe.
Quite a few SU-30SM, SU-35S and SU-34 losses recorded through the past few years. Presumably by a mixture of air-to-air (MiG-29/SU-27S) and SAMs.
Source List Of Aircraft Losses During The Russian Invasion Of Ukraine - Oryx
Not to mention a few hit on the ground due to the VKS’ rather strange aversion to using hardened shelters…
Read that too. Not sure what you want. It’s a bunch of Russian planes shooting down Russian planes, but it does not at all indicate air superiority. This can happen in contested airspace. That’s why it is called CONTESTED.
The point, AGAIN, is that Air Superiority is unattainable for this vaunted Russian equipment. Whereas American equipment in the hands of Israelis easily achieved air superiority in Iran against a comprehensive and modern Russian air defense umbrella.
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I’m agreeing with you by the way. Just putting up the figures that show that a SU-30MKI (or equivalent) is not the all-singing-all-dancing-Wunderwaffe that some seem to think it is. =)
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Sorry. I’m dual tasking here and the pro Russia people are out in force.
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