Phase I: Denial.
I’m not an expert in aircraft but my understanding is that the Flanker series currently have an underperforming flight model in game. Fixing that would be a start. This may not make them better in BVR but it would at least give them some help in WVR, which is one of the advantages they should have.
Now again, I’m not an expert, so please correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t aircraft like the Su-35 and MiG-35 upgrades over what we currently have in game? Wouldn’t they offer some benefits over the current vehicles the tree has access to?
And?
A kill is a kill. Does not matter what aircraft it was, emphasis on was.
Or are we going to try and do the entire “near peer” bs, which would end up meaning the SU-27 has shot down a grand total of 0 aircraft with 2 deaths since it’s 6 kills were on pre-collapse Mig-29A monkey models.
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“bs” lmao
that also counts negatively on the MiG-29 though no?
Yes. Both the MiG-29 AND the Su-27 are garbage compared to their NATO peers. (F-18 and F-15).
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Well to be fair - the Fulcrum is more of an F-16 counterpart than the Hornet. Similar vintage, similar initial role.
Although arguably a later block F-16 is a far more dangerous opponent (either in terms of A2A or A2G) than a late-model Fulcrum.
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Name me an “near peer” equivalent PACT aircraft has been used against a near peer since Vietnam.
Holding Mig-29As which were downgraded for export from their original make and grossly out of their prime in quite high regard.
Then again, such would mean that the F-15’s 104 to 0 KDR is accurate since more than 60 of it’s kills are similar vintage Mig-29 export models or better Mig-29s.
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I’m not the one posturing.
sure lol
Do you know the difference between you and me?
I do not deny achievements of USA science and technology, while you seem to consume a lot of propaganda claiming that USSR/Russia is in stone age in technology.
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Fallacy of the extreme.
I didn’t say stone age. I said decades behind NATO. Which is objectively a fact.
Russia cannot make a competitive car, airliner, or electronic device. What other fact explains this other than insufficient technological capability?
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US cannot make a competitive airliner either, I guess they’re decade behind Europe lmao.
And it’s a pish argument, F-15 has only ever faced vastly inferior aircraft in every capacity.
CR2 is another example “never lost in combat” until it was given to Ukraine and had to face a peer adversary. F-15s in real combat with a peer nation are going to die
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Airliner? might be (still better than Russia)
military aircraft? probably not
Why does it matter what real life technological advantages one millitary bloc has over its enemy at a fixed point in time?
I’ll be the last person to ever support non-western millitary alliances given my demographics mean I’d have a pretty bloody terrible life if I did not live inside the EU with its cultural values and laws.
However:
If one nation has, whether real or imagined, such superior technology that peen-measuring contests claim nothing could ever level the playing field with it…
- Why add it? We can’t balance the Maus so it was removed from the TT and acts as a collector’s novelty piece.
- Why not give it a BR appropriate of this fact?
Vehicles that can meet each other should - if equal BR - have an even fighting chance against one another using the right tactics (that don’t rely excessively on teamwork - ergo, f4f is not viable vs a6m5 zero because it needs thach weave and similar numerical games). It doesn’t matter if they’re years or even decades apart.
Otherwise,
do we want F4F wildcats fighting A6M5 zeros? That’s historically accurate.
do we want F4U-4Bs fighting mig-15s? That’s historically accurate.
do we want PzIvs fighting IS-2s? That’s historically accurate.
Do we want fireflies fighting Tiger IIs? That’s historically accurate.
Nobody other than wunderwaffe-brained people want that.
In that case
why are we obsessing over using warthunder as a “MY FAVORITE PLANE WILL ALWAYS BE SUPERIOR TO YOURS!!!” If it’s so superior, give it a higher BR.
The Mig-15 is infinitely superior to my favorite corsairs. I accept this. My corsair will also never fight Mig-15s unless I uptier it intentionally by some 3.0 BR steps.
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Boeing orders right now, TODAY, would belie that statement.
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Eh. This is more about: “Now that Russia doesn’t have any advanced aircraft left IRL how will they compete now and forward?”
Have you read the thread?
It’s people claiming X nation is technologically superior and the other group arguing that such is propaganda and whatnot.
It should be irrelevant to gameplay.
If X is far superior to Y, they should at best meet in a full uptier if not even then.
And yes, this might mean one plane might have nobody to fight taken to its limit.
Which facts prove this statement?
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And, again, the problem is that as far as “up to date” aircraft goes Russia has nothing left except the Su-57. And that plane, in reality is crap.
Already Russian planes are at a disadvantage to Rafale and Eurofighter, and this is only the first gen models.
We are staring down a situation where Russia will have nothing competitive at top tier.
The situation is only bearable if Gaijin fakes the top tier Russian stuff (which they are doing already) and they are just going to have to fake harder.
IDC honestly. Top tier tanks and planes are just figments of Gaijin’s imagination at this point anyway.
My first comment was essentially summarizing this situation. The problem exists because, when it comes to modern weapons, China and Russia are, in reality, far behind NATO. Unless you assign a cutoff to NATO to the year 2000 and fake the best Russian and Chinese stuff, then you don’t have a competitive top tier for each nation.
It’s just the reality of the current global arms market.
It’s just some Vatnik’s and Pooh Bear loyalists that don’t recognize the situation as thus.
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Aren’t there countless older NATO planes to add then to keep parity?
There’s whole threads wishing for hornets after all and they’re quite absent.
There’s whole threads wishing for early cold war aircraft as well.
Like, if top of the line modern stuff cannot be reasonably balanced, why not focus on a bit more “Outdated” era that still fits the topgun vibes some people seem to enjoy?