[Warbonds] [Event] Battle Pass Season 21: “Brave Archer” and Its Warbond Shop!

Lmao, if they actually release a half assed not researched at all main BP vehicle like they did with sholef again (and refuse to fix it despite being provided with pretty much only available sources, also like they did with sholef) then it will only show how much do they care (or actually don’t) about battle passes anymore.

It’s laughable how bad all of the recent BP vehicles (maybe aside of the WZ-141 ig) have been.

Either copypaste like Kungstiger or M46, gimmick vehicles like that german bomber or completely butchered slop like Sholef and possibly new Re 2005

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It’s actually not just the BP.
It’s basically all events for the past…id’ say 1.5 years. The last GOOD BP was like 2 years ago.
The only thing that gaijin tends to actually research and implement correctly are 50-80$ packs. And they are the only unique thing.
Almost all event rewards are strait clones.

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I mean there were at least some pretty unique event vehicles that just aren’t very good like Firos, EFV or KV-7, while BPs were straight up garbage for the last 2 years or so.

Ever since the Sheridan 76 the best thing we got was the chinese Wz 141 and it’s not a great tank at all.

Meanwhile back in the day every single BP brought in at the very least 2, possibly 3 (no one really ever cared about ships) very interesting and unique vehicles to the game, quite possibly very good as well. Many of them are sought after to this day.

It’s just sad how bad this event got. I used to be excited and wait for every single new BP, because i knew it was going to be something cool. Now on the other hand i can’t be bothered anymore and i am genuinely surprised if it’s not straight up copypaste.

I haven’t bought a single Battle Pass since the Kungstiger and i am not doing that unless they actually start putting back any effort into them just like they used to.

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If you want you can take my bug report and merge it with your bug report and if you need the book(Sergio Govi re.2002 re2005) in digital form I can send it to you.

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/eui3zudYm58C

I have the book “i Reggiane dall’A alla Z” too if you need it

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Ciao, see the Private Message.

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Another source added

Aircraft Profile No. 244: Caproni Reggiane Re.2001 Falco II, Re.2002 Ariete & Re.2005 Sagittario** *by John F. Brindley, pages 236–237.
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Reggiane Fighters in Action Nro 177

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It’s very nice to see new evidence. I hope this time it will be enough… otherwise we’d have to storm whatever company inherited the Reggiane archive (if it wasn’t destroyed :,( )

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Thank you
Unfortunately no dev or moderator or any are taking care of this matter.
Please support the report

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/CQMp8ULAnVQY

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I don’t think it really worth to spend money on this gamepass considering what happen last time…

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Well I said it, they’ve done it - Now where’s my commission lol

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Yeah - seeing the current performance values (speed, climb, turn) it looks like a waste of time and money. At least you can tame the overheating with MEC without killing the engine.

Everybody happy to fight severely undertiered (but way better performing) USSR fighters (like the single post war prototype Yak-3U) or stuff like the non-WW 2 combat P-51 H-5 should buy the BP.

I will not even grab the absolute fictional GER Il-2 from the war bond shop. The C-3604 is the way superior plane. You can use this IL-2 as example why this whole “historical accuracy” bla bla is just a fairy tale. There were zero Il-2s in German service and adding German bombs is fictional.

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No, it’s some slow as hell version with no engine upgrades. It’s just sad.

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The report has been accepted

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Let’s hope for the best - but hope regarding bug reports is often just delayed disappointment. I mean the devs had the suggestion with the “new” engine on their desk long before they decided to implement the aircraft like it is right now…

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As a user, this is the most that can be done — getting the report accepted, which I know very well sometimes leads to nothing.

Anyway, I want to thank the 41 users who supported the report and S__bastienZ88 for supporting me and for creating the original suggestion

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So now the interesting part - will it indeed get the proper performance or will it stay a 5.3-5.7 plane at 6.0 fighting Soviet 6.0 planes sitting at 5.7 and Soviet 7.3 plane sitting at 6.7?

I guess I’ll have to GRIND the hell out of this BP and hope for the best. Air RB every day, baby.

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and hope that they wont break the BP progression again

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I thank you for helping me and helping the Italian community

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I unfortunately have it on very good authority (that being a conversation with a Technical Moderator on Discord) that this bug report has been rejected.

Edit: I have just been told that technical moderators are not supposed to share such info. As such, I have removed/deleted the screenshot. I urge anyone that has saved the screenshot in some way to delete it as well.

I have many things to say about this plane and battlepass, specially since I haven’t been playing the game until recently so only now do I have enough activity to post.

Starting with my personal thoughts and opinions, I love the Re.2005 and it is one of my favorite WW2 fighter aircraft. I find it to say the least disappointing to see the MM.495 being added in what I can only say is the most boring way possible.

Now past the realm of my opinions… This Battle Pass announcement lies.

To quote the section about the Re.2005 VDM:

This variant features a new propeller and a slightly reshaped nose, improving all key performance characteristics.

As it stands right now this is blatantly untrue. This Re.2005 VDM performs worse in all key characteristics. I managed to get a hold of it and test drive it a day before the battlepass came out, and since the flight model has not been changed since then all these tests hold true. I tested top speed at sea level and at 7 km for both this Re.2005 VDM and the standard Re.2005, using MEC to force radiators at 0%, and the VDM was slower in both cases, doing 505 and 629 km/h while the standard Re.2005 did 516 and 651 km/h. Following this I did a basic climb rate test assuming all the other characteristics of the planes are the same. I simply put the planes in a 15 degree climb and checked what speed they achieved. Standard Re.2005 did somewhere around 330 km/h while the Re.2005 VDM did 315 km/h.

Overall this means that the plane simply has less thrust. That means that even turn rate is worse since you will be achieving sustained turn rate at a lower speed, therefore increasing turn time.

Edit: I have since gone and tested both the Re.2005 and Re.2005 VDM using the browser map to see their thrust output at different speeds with an altitude of 100 meters. I can therefore confirm that the Re.2005 VDM just achieved consistently lower thrust output than the standard Re.2005.

Thrust table

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Rerunning the tests might not give you exactly the same kgf values, specially at lower speeds where fast acceleration means the exact speed won’t always be exactly what is on the table, but my results were this and I tried being as precise as possible.

I don’t know if this is a miscommunication between whomever wrote this announcement and the people that actually work on flight models, or if a straight up lie in order to boost up sales, but one thing is certain: Gaijin must address this, either correcting the announcement to say that the plane performs worse (not better), or buffing the performance of the Re.2005 VDM to whatever level they think is correct when they were making this announcement.

Onto bug reports, I have a lot to say here.

As far as I am aware, there is no primary documentation available on this specific plane, any and all information coming from secondary documents. If someone can prove me wrong I am more than willing to edit this part of my comment, but as it stands, to my knowledge Gaijin is using purely secondary sources to model this plane.

This is not a problem in of itself, and it’s not the first time either. The T20 medium tank is modeled entirely using information gathered from R.P. Hunnicutt’s book on the T20 series. Sometimes primary sources are simply too hard to access so secondary sources have to do.

The problem is that even when this is the case, two secondary sources or one primary source are needed for a bug report to even get forwarded to the devs. Even when the devs themselves rely on a single secondary source for modeling a specific vehicle, you have to actively provide more than what this multi million dollar company can gather in order to correct a certain characteristic.

I ran into this specific problem with none other than the T20 itself. I had to spend months, if not a year, looking for some other source other than Hunnicutt for my bug report on the T20’s transmission, because I knew for a fact that if I had made a bug report with just Hunnicutt as my source (even though Gaijin bases the T20 entirely off of Hunnicutt), it would be rejected. And I have no doubt in my mind that for this plane Gaijin has used the very book that is being used in the bug reports that advocate for the addition of MW-50, and simply chose to ignore that part of the source, and despite this they still reject those very same bug reports.

In short, the rule of “2 secondary sources or 1 primary source”, for vehicles like this which revolve almost entirely around secondary sources (sometimes even just a single secondary source), is stupid. There have to be exceptions when primary sources are simply non-existant or extremely difficult to get a hold on, because otherwise it just slows down the development of the game.

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