Though both of them should be slightly superior compared to AIM-120A and B in terms of range irl.
There are already some bug reports active
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/OoskoLXRLTgx
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/eBoYz36PxnO5
Including one for max range:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/alf1Hlrk1Ap6
So all you can do is wait. Bug reports for many nations take a while to go through. But stil dont expect to be firing them off at 80km and hit targets reliably. They arent Meteors
(for the record. There are a number of bug reports open for Aim-120 too, they are underpforming quite a bit as well)
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cant is secrect you must trust
Correct
Thats just PL-12 and AAM-4 being reduced down to Aim-120B level performance so they could be added alongside other Fox-3s. They should be more like Aim-120Cs but they didnt want to leap frog too far ahead. The question is gunna be what they do when Aim-120Cs are added
Buff the missiles and keep them in line with the Aim-120C
Thats too sensible for Gaijin
Get ready for PL-12(M) and AAM-4(M) variants
They can either buff both of them, and give lower BR Chinese fighters SD-10 instead.
Or they can give China PL-12A with claimed 120km of range
Japan can get theoretical AAM-4 variant that has AAM-4B rocket motor but no AESA.
After all nothing has stopped Gaijin from making things up.
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If they are feeling generous, maybe Gaijin will give AAM-4B outright when F-2 eventually comes to the game.
Effective against what though?
Big difference between hitting a Tu95 flying straight, level and slow up at 35,000ft from 80km away, vs hitting a maneuvering Fighter jet who’s cranking your missile down into dense air, at Mach 1.5, from 80km away.
Always take listed ranges with a mountain of salt. Just because something is effective against ‘x’ doesn’t mean it has the energy to be effective against ‘y’.
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No, the PL-12 is underperforming and not for a balancing factor unless I’ve missed out on something. At extended ranges the PL-12 wobbles like crazy bleeding a substantial amount of speed putting it below even the AIM-120A which is should be superior to.
The AAM-4 is also underperforming as well if I recall but I’m not sure exactly where.
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I think they should buff every fox 3 but usa with real range
Or maybe keep everything entirely historical including missile ranges and adjust planes which overperform or underperform with BR changes. Move the F-15E and other great vehicles to 14.0 and move vehicles like the SHAR FA.2 and Tornado F.3 Late down a step.
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They cant do that, some planes will over perform by faar and i think they need to shrink the br for less waiting and full lobbys.
Legit never seen a single person calling for both compression and bigger lobbies at top tier.
(Until now)
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Clearly you’ve never used the PL-12
(Or AAM-3 for that matter, with longer range and better turn off the rail)
I would love to see realistic and historycal game mode but in actual RB its literally impossible. You can give me a raffale in 11.0 but i dont think player will accept that. Or a maus in 4.0
Someone get bro out the kitchen 😭😭
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Raffale was introduce into the army in may 2000 and maus is a ww2 tank? Raffale A 1986…
Barely. More like a ‘44-‘45 pipe dream than anything.
Shouldn’t be fighting early / mid war stuff.
probably unnerf the missiles and have giant gaps, or fill what would be giant gaps with other nations copypasted stuff