First, not all of the German main forces have a complete anti-spall lining, the A7V has it, but the T90M also has it, and the other A5, PSO, and A6 only have one piece on the top of the turret. Second, everyone knows that Russian tanks are the best armored in the game, and other tanks in their main armor area are usually unable to penetrate, while the tanks of other countries they face (excluding Sweden, A7V) Challenger 2, Abrams, Leclerc, Leopard 2 A6 and Chinese tanks will be penetrated by 3BM60 through the front of the hull
Giving the tanks export armor and then just making improved variants heavier is a nerf. Not to mention forcing the use of TUSK II is a nerf.
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Hull? I’ve had 3BM60 go through my turret front plate of an M1A1 Heavy Common, M1A2, and M1A2 SEPSv1.
Turret front plate. A shot that I see them soak up at less than 50 or 200 meters, and I’m getting penned at 500 to 800 meters.
All of which would have had either 1st-gen or 2nd-gen DU plating.
No explanation on why they get heavier aside from (oh the TUSK). TUSK doesn’t matter in the initial weight, it ADDS weight after.
Where do they think the extra weight comes from? /s
I’m just sighing in long-suffering U.S. main these days.
Edit: I’m grateful to hear about all the German and British mains, hey, they got some of what they wanted. But those spall liners need a little more work-up. Still, here’s to them!
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And Russian tanks have been many years later than other countries in general before . For example, the A6 and M1A2 SEPV1 were in service 10 years earlier than Russian tanks
I wish you all the armor you deserve
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AMX’s CLDP Pod: Lacks target locking, lacks thermal imaging
Guys can come over and have a look
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More protection isn’t a nerf.
“T-80BVM being forced to use side Relikt is a nerf.” - Someone 1 - 2 years ago probably.
Also the armor is known accurate until they finally get through the bug report evidence.
Relikt is designed to defeat kinetic rounds. TUSK is not. TUSK is just dead weight. Even then, it’s an add on kit. It should be optional.
That’s not what he said. Pay attention.
There is MORE WEIGHT in the M1A1 HC’s, M1A2’s, M1A2 SEPS, and now M1A2 SEPSv2’s tank’s stats at BASE MODEL, BEFORE it gets TUSK.
THEN TUSK ADDS EVEN MORE WEIGHT.
So, the logical question is… where does the added weight come from? I.E. THERE SHOULD BE MORE F***ING ARMOR THERE, Alvis.
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Glad you agree with me that there should be more armor.
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When can we expect a fix for the newly introduced tanks?
At least two of the easiest and most blatant issues regarding Challenger 3 TD and Leoprd 2A7V;
1- Challenger 3 TD: Make the 50mm thick plate in the turret actually 50mm thick instead of 7mm thick.
2- Leopard 2A7V: give the add-on armor the same multiplier as Strv 122’s instead of one 33% lower for no reason.
Both are very, very easy and simple fixes of errors that have huge impacts on the tanks.
Of course, there are far more matters even for these tanks, such as the numerous Challenger issues that have been reported and 2A7V’s D-tech Armor; but at least fix these two specific and obvious issues quickly and then focus on the others that may require more attention!
EDIT: Challenger 3 TD’s cheeks have been hotfixed!
I am very happy with the speed at which this specific issue was addresed.
Leopard 2A7V and M1A2 SEPv2 are still a big mess, but at least now I can grind and look forward for Challenger 3 TD, hahah (even if many issues still persists with CR3 and the 2s, at least this one was addressed quickly!)
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I just find it impossible to argue with some folks on this topic. It’s like the laws of logic and reason escaped them moons ago.
Even when I lay it out bare for them, they don’t believe, and they want ‘proof’. As if we’d just fill up our tanks with useless weight for no reason.
And now we can see that even Leopard 2A7+ literally has an even lighter armor component, so guess what the logic says there? That Americans and Brits already did the same and we likely have much, much thicker front plates than previously imagined.
Abrams’ just not having a spall liner is pretty funny too
(And the whole no DU armor thing)
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I’ll wait until the end of January then I’ll start endorsing respectful asking of Smin to give us information.
Shouldn’t get to that since they have a dev blog planned.
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Idk but give us another 70 dollars for a premium lmao
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With respect, Smin already knows from me. As do the devs.
And this game just lost 6,000 players this month according to Steamcharts, which is a significant percentage lost.
Making up time with a couple quick fixes to Leopards and Challies won’t save them if they keep on going this way.
Further, the player base needs to be taught how the hell to fight, because too many of them are “apply directly to forehead” insofar as tanker tactics go. It’s annoying as hell.
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Less than a percent.
Leaving WT over minor issues like this is hilarious.
People don’t leave Arma cause its tank combat is 100% arcade.
People don’t leave DCS just cause its atmospheric density didn’t allow for supercruising.
There’s an air of irrationality on the forums & among the community compared to other fandoms.
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The Tigris should’ve been a tech tree or squadron vehicle. Making it a premium was a mistake, and nobody could give feedback on it because it wasn’t in the dev server. It would’ve fit easily into the Hungarian line and Italy desperately needs a heavy tank, there are very few options for them to get one besides the Hungarian Tiger.
For some it’s minor issues that have stacked on top of each other until the camel’s back breaks.
Previously we had the bad review bombs, then several leaks that make us into a mockery in TikTok, and then this fiasco with the T90M introduction with spall liners.
They fixed spall liners for the Leopards, which have the best spalling round in the game (DM53, which arguably isn’t even their BEST war round, DM63), and now we’ll be seeing more bug reports.
As a long-time fan of the game, I’m not asking the devs to make us impenetrable across all sides. As a former tanker and long time history fan, I know the weak spots on tanks to be measured fairly accurately in War Thunder. And as an Abrams tank crewman, I know the hulls are weak points.
I’m just asking for the DU package to be considered and the spall liners. Maybe the M829A3, and better spalling.
If you’re going to crush us under weight restrictions on traction, speed, and turret rotation, some added DU armor modeling to the front of our turrets isn’t an impossible ask, in my humble opinion.
I’ll continue posting on TikTok and trying to train these young guys and gals how to tank properly, because I see it in nearly every match I’m put in where they simply press W and go right into the enemies’ guns without knowing map familiarization and routes of travel, but I can only do so much.
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