Would love to see if it gets accepted
Cdk is borked right now yes (look at the rudder on my ef2000 lol).
There are a lot of ways you can try to improve the spin out, stability and maneuverability of TVC missiles but with pretty much all of the “fixes” I tried (and trust me i tried a lot of things) some issues remain.
As an example copy paste r73s and than remove WdK:p3 = 0.1, 0.1, 0.1; change the pid0 time from 3 to 5.5; remove pid1 and pid2 entirely; rename pid3 to pid1. This is a kind of universal “fix” that does work on r73s micas and i think sraams also (missiles wont spin out the same way any more, but they still waste a lot of energy and pull way to much aoa and still wobble).
But here is the real issue with this “fix” (and probably the timetogain one as well). Missiles with a small caliber and low acceleration like aim9x and iris-t produce less lift at high aoa than missiles with a large caliber such as mica and r73. So what ends up happening is that this missiles drift across the sky at 90° aoa but don’t actually turn. The best thing about it is that if you increase the wingAreaMult it only makes them spin out sooner instead of increasing their lift.
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On another note here are mica and sraam where the only thing i changed was add CyMaxAoA:r = 90 and under guidanceAutopilot add limitAoa:b = true and aoaMax:r = 40
https://youtu.be/tONMMxI_X6U
https://youtu.be/LsFJ6vpCa5s
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0:50 thats ridiculous
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I mean 90 degrees is too much, I generally aim for between 30-40 and it gives much better results, particularly with my time to gain method.
Too much AOA actually decreases a missile’s turning performance to an extent. Firstly from just being less ideal to produce lift. But also due to the vectoring angle to keep it stable, your engine will effectively be less efficient due to its corrections at said angle / the thrust vector relative to CoM / direction of travel.
Yours deffinitly seems more stable at higher AoAs then mine does, i wonder how it handles the different ohysics rate on live servers to closed ones.
Also here are two aim9l missiles with mica tvc copy and pasted onto them. They are identical in every way except one of them has aoa limits while the other doesn’t.
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Here is the funny thing. If you are only using CyMaxAoA than less than 90 is prob better BUT if you also set the guidanceAutopilot to 40 (and leave the other one on more than 40 (90 in this case)) the missile will be able to pull more while still usnig only 40ish degrees of aoa.
On r73s and sraam i set both to 40 but on every other missile i set the first one to 90 and the second one to 40
cymaxaoa is the cl at max aoa, not an aoa limit. setting it to arbitrarily high values will just end up giving it impossible lift coefficients
Eventually, hopefully Russia finally finishes their k-30/ modernization of it called product 300m. Looks like a asraam but with thrust vectoring and dual mode
What r-73 variant is this? From what I understand r-74e was a project that was shown off in 1997 then died? What are the specs of r-74e?
could just be referring to the RVV-MD and the article simply got the naming wrong/confused with the old naming system that just added an E at the end instead of RVV-XX like on newer export models
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The image shown is k300 which is inaccurate, most of that stuff is ukrainian
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image of k-30 (izd 300)
likely has seekerhead similar to this one
looks like a straight rip off of asraam as i stated b4 but has tvc
ir ranges for 73
original chart (i think translation made it look weird)
@Flame2512
you think 73 is overperforming or underperforming according to this?
Would have to check. Haven’t paid much attention to R-73 in game. Is that source reliable?
I see thanks a lot
Iirc the main reason RVV-MD/R-74M is advertised with more range is because one of the upgrades it brings from R-73 is a longer battery life, RVV-MD2/R-74M2 sharing said increased battery life as well as a stronger motor.
(Double reply yippieee)
Afair, K-74ME is basically export R-73M (R-73 w/ Mk.80M).
(I just realized the messages I replied to are like, half a year old… Quite incredible :Broken_heart:)