Vympel R-27 'ALAMO' - History, Design, Performance & Discussion

Maybe they’re considering one of the external pods it could carry.

Think its more likely just the Kh-29T feed not turning off properly.

Probably, hopefully it does get one of its three pods though.

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Hope so too

i think gaijin make this mod. but he must be a Black-White and without zoom

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True, but the behavior is still incorrect

Ok, well that’s an interesting find. Is the device in front of the HUD a HUD recorder then? And the feed can be seen on the MFD?

Don’t think that part was modelled on the dev server yet though.

yes.

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Ah, thanks.

and don’t modelled later
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That’s a shame, think it looks pretty neat, though I’m not a sim player.

9.17-Description_The screens can display an electronic map of the area, as well as a tele - and thermal image of ground targets. With the help of digital processing, it is possible to improve its quality, increase individual objects (“electronic magnifier” mode) and combine images (“picture in picture”). Representatives of MAPO “MIG” are especially proud of the ability to automatically link TV images to an electronic and radar map of the area…
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Made a report to hopefully fix the MiG-29s AoA.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/H409F96xHyZa

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/955829235493273680/1152087847382290482/image.png

Apparently this is 60 degrees AoA to Gaijin, which explains why the F-16 can do something akin to 45 degrees AoA with no sign of instability or pitch departure qualities…
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/955829235493273680/1152087810749243512/eZQ9WvgiOQxvQVzeCTEpDIa3.png

In fact, every source I can find contradicts his statement that they appear closer to 60 degrees. This is visually evident, and multiple well founded studies declaring the aircraft capable of rapid pitch up beyond 90 degrees is insufficient?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1066148362497306684/1152092988751757365/image.png

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@MiG_23M Do you have the R-27T launch curves like the one for R-27R?

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A few days ago I launched an R-27T on a target flying away from ~5 km (I was above Mach and at ~4 km and I think he was a bit below Mach and at ~3.5 km). It was a tail-on launch with me looking directly at him. The missile didn’t reach him (it got within about 100-200 meters). I know the R-27T has slightly more drag and does not fly the most optimal flight path (though it was a direct 12’ launch), but the R-27R would have had about 7 km range in those conditions according to the graph.

I might be wrong on this, but I think the R-27T burns so much energy at low speeds that it hampers its range. This is made worse by the fact that it takes a while to accelerate to speeds where it would start burning less energy. Also, shouldn’t the butterfly configuration provide lower drag at higher AoA due to larger control/lifting surfaces than normal configuration missiles?

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Without strict testing conditions it’s hard to tell why it didn’t hit the target. From testing with custom missions, the R-27R/ER are slightly underperforming, but within the 5% margin for error gaijin permits when testing maximum ranges… in this case I was testing for the 10km altitude test. Gaijin optimizes missiles based on their 1-5km altitude performances generally.

Big changes to all of the R-27R/ER missiles on dev server.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/955829235493273680/1153305075905732709/image.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/955829235493273680/1153305132939878420/image.png

Massive reduction in drag coefficient, thrust, burn time, increase in AoA and maneuverability. Should be more energy loss against cranking targets and more realistic range figures at higher altitude (improvement) while seemingly nerfing low altitude range a bit.

For R-27ER it is 20% reduction in drag and 11% reduction in overall deltaV.

this has increased in proportion to the increased overload, so for “30G” maneuver nothing really changed I believe

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The R-27ER, and the 27E series in general, is truly getting to idiotic levels of drag coefficient. It becoming a goddamn farce at this point.

Not only does it have a lower drag coefficient than the R-27R, which is completely nonsensical, but it eclipses the drag coefficient of all other comparable missiles in-game despite there being no real reason to do so aside from probably the fact that its a good way to hide kinematic buffs to the missile without it being readily apparent to the community.

This is really shaping up to be one of the worst updates in WT history