Someone forgot to tell the devs cuz the MICA in VL config ingame performs almost the same out around the 13km mark, SLM being like M0.1 faster
SLM as currently implemented in game is a sad joke
A close competition with the manpads article we had a few years back imo
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I don’t believe 1.2 is necessary, about 1.35-1.4 works fine and that is more realistic.
SAMP/T makes literally no sense anyways. Aster 15 isnt fired by land-based systems, and Italy has the Gryfo, which is an EMADS like the British Sky Sabre.
Its pretty weird they didnt add the VL MICA this update considering the substantial nerfs all the other systems received put their missiles in the same perdormance braxket as the VL MICA, but the VL MICA is just a worse system than the SLM and Spyder (even with the nerfs to the others)
yeah, the 4 ready to fire missles hurt quite bad.
And they even already gave the spyder an imaginary 8 launcher version that didnt exist in reality
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at 1.35, the missile has absolutely no energy past 10km, making it useless
Can’t hit anywhere close to 30G at 12km for sure as it should
Aster-30 sub mach 1 at 10 clicks, brought to you by Gaijin entertainment
From what i’ve seen, it would still be slightly better than SLM and spyder in their current state.
The main issue is that Gaijin seems to think that missiles evolves underwater if they are going over mach 0.8, and then unlocks infinite energy, making them go from 10 to 40 clicks, while it should be a far smoother deceleration.
Even SLM currently has basically no energy at 12km, it would be unable to hit any kind of moving target, while the basic MICA VL is advertised to do so :
That’s just how broken the newly added SPAAs are
Of course, MICA VL being 1990s missile and being lighter than a SLM won’t reach the same ranges, still, it should be a threat up to 12 clicks, not be dead weight by 7.5 clicks like fireball is suggesting
(With 1.35 drag btw @Fireball_2020 )
It likely can, the speed is about M1, given magic 2 could pull 20G’s at M0.8 that is about right.
This ain’t optimal it was just “good enough” for the brief testing i did.
Energy might not be the only cause for underperformance in missile pull. The MICA’s strakes should help the effectivness of its conteol surfaces, but I dont think they currently do. Theres also the chance that, like with the IRIS-T, the control sections currently have less max deflection than they do IRL.
I based that statement on the current MICA seen ingame, which as tested by DirectSupport, underperforms the IRIS-T SLM in energy (as it should, tho it shouldnt be anywhere close like it currently is, the SLM should blow it out of the water).
But the primary reason i stated that its worse tha the SLM and Spyder, even as seen in their currently hyper nerfed state, is that it only has 4 missiles, and unlike the Spyder, it doesnt even have a modular missile rack, so they cant even pretend it carries more. 4 missiles isnt even enough to take out all munitions from almost all top tier CAS jets (most relelvant CAS threats run a minimum of 6 munitions, generally F&F), so they can quite literally just oversaturate the VL MICA and theres nothing that it can do about it
I’d imagine the electronics section of the warhead got smaller, since MBDA said the electronics throughout the missile got shorter.
It’s likely they tried to kill two birds (Italy/France) with one stone (Aster-15) but that is a lazy attempt on their end.
That make me kind of worried they might pull out a Indian Buk.
Would be a interesting scenario, but the reception would be horrible.
It’s still doing 20-30G’s at that speed, certainly not dead weight. And what’s your evidence that mica should be doing like Mach 2+ or whatever you expect in that specific case?
EMADS also kills 2 birds with 1 stone (UK/Ita), so the statement doesnt make any sense, as ive already said multiple times.
Then beats me. But to be fair, it wouldn’t necessarily stop Italy from having both systems, SAMP/T and EMADs.
Russian bias would atleast extend to UK although diversity would come at the cost of it, which shouldn’t be.
That’s fine and all, but the value it needs to reach is 30Gs, not 20
An other test at 12km this time, with a drag coefficient of 1.35 :
Magic II needs to be mach 1.25 to reach 30G
Refer to this bug report : Community Bug Reporting System
I think @DirectSupport might still have the source somewhere
Regarding MICA’s speed in vertical launch, no primary source really states it anywhere. There’s of course the 750m/s from MBDA, but the same source states 12km of max range, later contradicted by… MBDA itself, who updated it to 20
A few secondary sources are mentioning 1000 m/s or so, like the czech source gaijin used, or this :