VK3002 is LONG overdue for a nerf

lets start from the top then shall we?

  • you say this “Also actual skill issue lmao if you can’t hit that big flat turret with the 76 then go back to arcade”
    IF you say someone has skill issue, try make sure you’re stats for ground aren’t horrific hence why i wanted to look you up, cause most folks that say stuff like what you said, are garbage.

This means absolutely nothing in relation to ground RB, hence why I didn’t bring it up, If it were for ARB, then I’d ofc refer to your answer.

The 76MM from the sherman, or even the german long 75 will only kill 2 crew in the turret, which is an ideal shot at 400 meters clean through teh front of it.
the tank itself if even angled slightly will stop it, as well as that it’s already angled due to the dome effect.

You could state your name, rather than see that its different on the forum, and then make out as if others are daft looking for your stats, with your forum name, which is diffirent.

Also a caveat. you are talking about skill issue ?? for GRB??
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You really, really gotta get those numbers up before chatting shit about anyones skill issue.

Just as a comparisson, heres mine.
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so yeah man, sit down.

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yet I have zero issues taking it out with the t34/57 or really any other tank I’m in, curious, also I’m not really type of guy to go back and pad my stats with vehicles bro that’s pretty lame

the only tank of that BR you are postiive in is the T34/57, which Ive taken tiger 2’s out with, it has a really, really good gun and fire rate.

Most tanks, at 5.0 and down, arent that good.

You’re stats overall for GRB are horrific, you are in absolutely no `position to be saying skill issue to anyone.
infact, overall in ARB my stats are better than yours too, you must be padding urs with AI xD

your ARB stats.
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My ARb stats
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and your stats in most planes are pretty bad bro honestly, I haven’t played ground RB seriously since I started the game years ago and even then I play it for fun now and then again and I have zero issues taking out a tank that’s basically a glorified casemate unlike you and all your skill

my stats in most planes ? what like pray tell? cause anything above basically rank 6 is positive.
bar the planes I started with.

anyways, as the stats show, im better than you, yet you feel the need to say skill issue.

get a grip mate, can disagree without being a divot about it.

it’s a skill issue that you can’t take out an thinly armored tank would absolutely no turret traverse yes

my Air rb stats show that I’m better at Jets. than you I don’t see the argument is

the argument is you have a 0.8 KD in ARB overall, I have 0.93
with a 54 percent winrate to your 52
and I usually sit higher in the teams

“yeah bro my aircraft stats are far superior to yours don’t even try that LMAO” you said this, as a statement, when no, your jet stats may be better than mine, but overall, you are worse.

Its not thinly armoured, thats the point, only the tanks with the absolute highest pen of the BR can reliable damage it…
hence the argument to move it to 5.3 along side comparatively the sherman.

Imagine the Tiger with mere 100mm armor thickness at BR 6.0 or 5.7. VIrtually everything pens 100mm, except some low tier rank 1 vehicles. Its a heavy tank as well. News at eleven: Heavy tanks are laughing stocks of WT (except KV-1 derivatives).

Heavy tanks are bad at all.
Providing you use them correclty.

T32e1, is3, is4, tiger 2 ,t29, m103 etc etc.

All brilliant tanks.

Little information mate, you angle the tiger and people struggle with it massively, meanwhile.its 88 can one tap an is2, shoot the cupola

Well, then…angle your Church and everything is fine^^

churchill is just miserable in general…the insanely long hull you first have to shove around a corner to be able to shoot. the anemic speed. The horrible gun with ap. Definitely one of the worst tank families ive ever played in this game. Maybe i just never got really used to them and their gun but after the first horribly slow 20-30 matches i honestly didn’t even want to try this shitcan anymore. Angle? yeah that definitely will stop enemies from shooting its exposed tracks and move around it while you’re praying that the peashooter of a gun most churchills have for the br they’re at does anything before you get flanked and disabled. The 3.7 m24 is a way better tank (even if you bring it to 4.7) than any churchill even the mk7 from 4.7.

You’re basically relying on teammates around you that take advantage of enemies struggling to finish you off and stick around you while you creep up to the caps. Similar to the maus problem. Reliying on allies that understand they can take advantage of you drawing enemies towards you that will have a hard time penning you if you can angle is hit-or miss. Allies r smart and stick around your flanks to shoot enemies that are on reload? Good. Allies clueless and rush all the heavily armored stuff before you can get anywhere to help. Unlucky. It’s basically out of your control. But the maus can defend itself against anything while the churchill would be as effective if they just removed the turret and you’d drive in there with just the hull. But tanking shots doesnt give rp. thx btw snail.

The black prince is basically the same thing but at higher br. But ive read of a lot of people actually loving it so idk, maybe it just takes a very special skill set or playstyle that i’m unwilling to learn?

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In terms of K/d, it’s the second-worst non SPAA German rank 3, only ahead of the M44 in RB.

(In AB it is the worst-performing of all 30 GE rank 3s, SPAA included.)

No opinion on the question, just putting up the stats (Statshark May RB data)

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Pz.Kpfw. Churchill has its moments (Church III). I always spawn it when I lose my KV-1B. Its not that bad on smaller maps where speed won’t matter. Gun has good pen and high rof, this mostly works.

Not the same thing at all, and you are well aware of that.

The churchill is a narrow, long boat.

The tiger is a near cube shape, its front plant angled doesn’t over expose its side.

???

The US 76 has way more filler and postpen than any of the german 75s.

I never said the opposite, read what I said.

even with the filler the 76MM has, it will not nuke the entire crew of the VK (or panthers) if you pen the turret, (the short 90MM will)

However, if the long 75 pens the sherman, it will almost always wipe the entire crew, this is at 1000 meters.
that is the 5.3 sherman. it dies almost every, single, time.


The VK? cannot even be penetrated by a shermal past 600 meters reliably



so tell me again, how does the 76MM nuke the crew? whenever it does pen, it does substantially less in comparisson

Yes, the lightly armored medium dies if it gets shot?


Note the range. You’re not even using M62, you’re comparing it against the stock solid shot.


Close up you just do this apparently.

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put it past 400 meters, cmon now.

I tested both at 1000

also you are aware they ahve essentially the same angled pen, so even at 1000 meters itll still not go through

I note the range, i also note where you shot from, that is incredibly disingenuous as the im shoing it from the frontal arc,
with 93 mm of pen at 2000 meters you will not hit the VK in a way u can take it out before it’ll take u out