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You’re not specific. I think a CAS-opt-out option would be a healthy addition to the game.

So every single Abrams that was at 12 got pushed to 12.7 mean while a bunch of other nations stayed at 12 and 12.3???

M1A1 SA should be the same as the Leopards or M1A1 with A1 ammo with KE-W which is 12 minimum it’s ridiculous how nerfed USA got this past update. Not to mention the HSTVL got moved to 12.7???

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I’m not one to statshame, but damn near every time someone claims the Roland is weak, it ends up being one of the only vehicles that person plays with a decent K/D.

It is not weak in the slightest. An all-aspect, long range missile with 20G of pull that cannot be flared or even be chaffed should not be facing subsonic planes with no guided ordinance, no RWR, and no ballistics computers.

I don’t need to be. The point of my comment wasn’t to list problems with CAS balance.

Leopard premiums that were 12 moved to 12.3??? Premium Abrams of 12 got moved to 12.7? That’s a load of Bu**Sht.

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Frankly you don’t own any, how can you claim anything about them?

If this is in reference to me, not only is that blatantly misinformation, but it’s also been about 3 years since i’ve even touched a roland platform, and it was before the SACLOS nerfs, when it had a point and kill missile like the pantsir, just slower.

In the period since then I’ve aimed to keep a minimum of a 2.0 K/D in anything I have over 30 matches in, and this will be reflected in the statshark sessions tab, anything before that you can disregard because it was on controller (which funnily enough has aim assist for SAMs still, further skewing results).

On the topic of the roland themselves, outside of their BR ranges, anything firing the Roland 1 and 3 is nothing short of complete fodder to both helis and F&F cas ordinance from aircraft alike, they are some of the weakest high tier missile SAMs, and saying they are even comparable to a pantsir at 12.0 is delusional

ROLAND is even now very capable at certain BR’s

I’m addressing the claim it’s “good at 12.0”, nothing else

With proper hiding and clueless enemies can score a few kills per match.

If drones count sure ig

I am confused how you have made it to toptier, stumbled onto the forums, and never once realized free SPAA was a thing.

Out of your top rank 7 German tanks, the Roland very much stands above the rest.
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They are still very much just point and kill missiles. The biggest difference now is you have PPI which does the aiming for you 100% automatically.

Helicopters are the most screwed over of any vehicle as they can’t dodge, and get no good FnF weapons. Heck, they’re especially screwed over now that a bunch of low-tier helis were randomly raised for no reason.

Most FnF ordinance it faces have absolutely pitiful lock ranges. Only exception is maybe the A-10A Late.

???

low quality bait, how do people fall for this?

You’re correct. Everyone who ever disagrees with you is just ragebaiting. All of your opinions are perfect and should never ever be challenged.

you just fell for my counter bait. how foolish

ok?

Look, I am not saying your opinion doesn’t matter. And I won’t worry about stat shark - I’ll take your word for it.

However, the “skilled” player base is a minority. Statistical outliers are usually removed when calculating averages - and in the terms of game balance averages are what should be considered since that represents a majority of the player base.

Now I am not saying that your opinion doesn’t hold weight, and there are lots of people who try to have an opinion but don’t have much experience.

But the elitist attitude that good players tend to have borderlines entitlement - and its just as ugly as a no skill or experience player spamming awful takes.

I point to well established best practices that organizations use when caculating averages because it is neutral, unbiased, and it’s accurate. It’s what is taught in higher education, and it’s what we use in the business world regardless of industry. Now, not everyone does this - case in pont, gaijin.

At the end of the day, if what makes these good players feel value is their experience and opinion… then their opinion is their bias and is just as bad as someone on the other end of the spectrum.

How come the YAH64 , which has no countermeasures what so ever be on the same br with other AH 64 ?

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I also looked at the ground ratings first

So seeing 8 B-29s in one battle was a bug, not a feature? I don’t mind it being a feature personally.

No way they’re doing 13.7-15.0