None of them suffer from the huge turret ring issue except the Ariete which they’re penetrable by anything.
No, but they suffer from about 50 other issues.
Challenger 2 I know best so let me quickly summarise
- L27A1 has extremely weak post-pen damage
- L27A1 is underperforming in terms of pen
- CR2 is misisng large amounts of armour
- Its missing spall liners
- its ERA barely works
- It has a 4 round ready rack with a 20 second replenishment time per round (Should be 28 round ready rack)
- It still has major mobility issues (yes it will always be slow, but shouldnt struggle to get up slight hills)
the gunbreach has a literal hole in it
and thats just a few I can I think of off the top of my head.
The point is, the Abrams is the third strongest tank in the game, so claiming its not is extremely disingenuous. You have one the best mobility, second best shell, one of the best RoF, great protection.
Quite frankly. the Abrams should NEVER have gotten 5 second reload and im not saying the Abrams shouldnt have some of its bug reports fixed, just, its WAAAAAYYYYY stronger than pretty much everyone else at the moment. I had an abrams tank 3 L27A1 rounds through the LFP the other day and he was able to get behind cover and repair. That is not weak.
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Someone tell HMS Hood War Thunder fixed their design flaw and they should ask Bismarck for a do over.
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TWS locking ghost objects, including objects sub terrain?
Floating Terrain?
Terrain hitboxes?
Vehicles de-rendering on 30m away from you with LOS?
Inaccurate M1 hydraulic model?
Inaccurate turret rotation and turret basket links?
Hand cranked turrets reducing traverse time on engine failure?
Can we maybe look at the game breaking bugs first please.
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The Abrams starting from the M1A2 is garbage and you fight against superior tanks most of the time, they also suffer from several issues such as:
Missing any proper hull protection and it did not improve even after adding 5 Abrams to the game.
No DU in the tank (turret cheeks KE protection is based on export models)
Hydraulic pump is a bug (once shot at it will catch fire and damage your crew if you’re not so fast in extinguishing it, you’d die)
Missing 150mm of protection in turret ring and it should be volumetric.
Fuel tank bulk heads are not modelled correctly.
SEPV2 should’ve came with M829A3 as a buff against the Russian horde, but they said “Muh it wouldn’t add anything to the US” while it’s literally made to penetrate Kontakt.
Several other issues, but my point is YES the Abrams is better than most tanks ingame but it should be better honestly considering their true capabilities in real life, they should be on par with T90M,2A7,B+ in terms of protection, literall no American player asked for a reload buff, they wanted DU in hull and turret cheeks, asked for spall liners, turret ring issue fixed, guess what they got.
The fact they fix and nerf few things in US but not fix the ACTUAL problems the players suffer from is them telling us that they do WHATEVER they want, Merkavas are rotting in several problems for years.
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Such as?
I can only think of the Leopard 2s and maybe the T-80 BVM
We have 7 CR2s, still no fixes at all
Didnt think that was proven
Again, so is pretty much everyone else
And then the Challenger 3 should have come with DM83 and L27A1 is also made to do the same.
I dont really get why you are complaining about shell performance when you have the second best in game just slightly behind DM53, but most DM53 slingers have a 6 second reload, you only have 5…
Again, so would everyone else.
If they have things to buff, buff them. Realisticaly of course. I wouldn’t be able to know as i don’t play other nations in ground. What i know is that the Abrams is pretty bad compared to the top 3 and it’s not realisticaly implemented. I suppose that bringing it to a realistic standard would help
Fix everything
F-14 Ignored for the billionth time. I don’t understand what’s so difficult about looking a bugreports.
But you have the time to instantly nerf it’s loadout as soon as it’s bugreported…
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/tJKBcYkDfnCU
It’s not a “suggestion” Gaijin. It’s fixing a historical inaccuracy.
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and I have no issue with that either.
But
Honestly.
Abrams is in the top 3 imo.
Leopard 2 (germany, Sweden, Hungary)
T-80 BVM (soviets)
Abrams (US)
After that
Leclerc (france)
T-90M (Soviets)
Type10 (Japan)
ZTZ99A (China)
Merkava (Israel)
Challenger 2 (britain)
Ariete (Italy)
Challenger 3TD (Britain)
You get the idea.
Im not saying the US doesnt have things to fix. Im just saying, the US also isnt actually all that bad
You still have one of the best shells in the game, with a great RoF and Sustained fire, great moblity, good protection, good optics, etc etc. Trust me when I say, it can always be worse (looks at the CR3TD)
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It was proven and they did not act on it at all.
None of the Tanks ingame as far as im aware they do not have a huge weakspot between the turret and the hull.
Atleast few Challengers received spall liners in their turrets which improved their survivability.
I’d trade it anyday for better armor.
Abrams is top 4 after the Leclerc, they have similar hull protection but the Leclerc’s exceeds in being inpenetrable by 3bm42 with tricky turret armor.
As i said earlier, from the base M1 to the HC the Abrams is pretty good, but after that it’s garbage considering they mostly fight against superior tech.
Challenger 2 has one between the turret cheeks.
Barely, still missing most of them and still get 1 shot most of the time.
and again, Only really the Leopard 2s that everyone struggles against. I class fighting Abrams as an uptier in the CR2
To be fair Abrams has one of the, if not the worst turret rings at top tier in terms of being extremely exposed and even significantly weaker shells can slide right through
dont forget france
everyone is getting atleast a few leopard 2 now
That might be so, but it still doesnt excuse the fact the Abrams does outperform pretty much everyone else in pretty much every single respect.
Not saying it doesnt have issues, just saying, calling it “worse than everyone else” is just dishonest.
I forgot about that. Though was more thinking the Leopard 2A7s rather than the 2A6s
So does every Abrams shot at the hull, if you like the feeling of being a handicap go ahead and play the SEP,SEPV2.
Not like the one on the Abrams, it get worst turret ring armor in the game, 50mm of protection cant stop anything at all.
Before: Abrumsi spam
Now: Leopard go brrrrtttt
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Please, go play the Challenger 3TD. You will be begging to play the Abrams in about 30 seconds
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I still have no idea why you dragging this, also the Challenger did not get the basket nerf.
Yet* Though we have images without it.
The point is, Calling Abrams, the seocnd or third strongest tank in game, “weaker than everyone else” and then asking for a massive shell buff as a result is kinda insane.
What next? F-15 cant outdogfight the Typhoon so you want Block 3 Aim-9X and Aim-120Ds?
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