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[Morvran]

and I have no issue with that either.

But

Honestly.

Abrams is in the top 3 imo.

Leopard 2 (germany, Sweden, Hungary)
T-80 BVM (soviets)
Abrams (US)

After that

Leclerc (france)
T-90M (Soviets)
Type10 (Japan)
ZTZ99A (China)
Merkava (Israel)
Challenger 2 (britain)
Ariete (Italy)
Challenger 3TD (Britain)

You get the idea.

Im not saying the US doesnt have things to fix. Im just saying, the US also isnt actually all that bad

You still have one of the best shells in the game, with a great RoF and Sustained fire, great moblity, good protection, good optics, etc etc. Trust me when I say, it can always be worse (looks at the CR3TD)

[_Ladies_Man_217]

@Morvran

Didnt think that was proven

It was proven and they did not act on it at all.

@Morvran

so is pretty much everyone else

None of the Tanks ingame as far as im aware they do not have a huge weakspot between the turret and the hull.

@Morvran

Challenger 3

Atleast few Challengers received spall liners in their turrets which improved their survivability.

@Morvran

when you have the second best in game

I’d trade it anyday for better armor.

@Morvran

Again, so would everyone else.

Abrams is top 4 after the Leclerc, they have similar hull protection but the Leclerc’s exceeds in being inpenetrable by 3bm42 with tricky turret armor.

@Morvran

the US also isnt actually all that bad

As i said earlier, from the base M1 to the HC the Abrams is pretty good, but after that it’s garbage considering they mostly fight against superior tech.

[Morvran]

@_Ladies_Man_217

None of the Tanks ingame as far as im aware they do not have a huge weakspot between the turret and the hull.

Challenger 2 has one between the turret cheeks.

@_Ladies_Man_217

Atleast few Challengers received spall liners in their turrets which improved their survivability.

Barely, still missing most of them and still get 1 shot most of the time.

@_Ladies_Man_217

As i said earlier, from the base M1 to the HC the Abrams is pretty good, but after that it’s garbage considering they mostly fight against superior tech.

and again, Only really the Leopard 2s that everyone struggles against. I class fighting Abrams as an uptier in the CR2

[Beeschurger]

@Morvran

Again, so is pretty much everyone else

To be fair Abrams has one of the, if not the worst turret rings at top tier in terms of being extremely exposed and even significantly weaker shells can slide right through

[ron_23]

@Morvran

Leopard 2 (germany, Sweden, Hungary)

dont forget france

everyone is getting atleast a few leopard 2 now

[Morvran]

That might be so, but it still doesnt excuse the fact the Abrams does outperform pretty much everyone else in pretty much every single respect.

Not saying it doesnt have issues, just saying, calling it “worse than everyone else” is just dishonest.

[Morvran]

I forgot about that. Though was more thinking the Leopard 2A7s rather than the 2A6s

[_Ladies_Man_217]

@Morvran

still missing most of them and still get 1 shot most of the time

So does every Abrams shot at the hull, if you like the feeling of being a handicap go ahead and play the SEP,SEPV2.

@Morvran

Challenger 2 has one between the turret cheeks.

Not like the one on the Abrams, it get worst turret ring armor in the game, 50mm of protection cant stop anything at all.

[MrBombastic8]

Before: Abrumsi spam
Now: Leopard go brrrrtttt

[Morvran]

@_Ladies_Man_217

So does every Abrams shot at the hull, if you like the feeling of being a handicap go ahead and play the SEP,SEPV2.

Please, go play the Challenger 3TD. You will be begging to play the Abrams in about 30 seconds

[_Ladies_Man_217]

I still have no idea why you dragging this, also the Challenger did not get the basket nerf.

[Morvran]

Yet* Though we have images without it.

The point is, Calling Abrams, the seocnd or third strongest tank in game, “weaker than everyone else” and then asking for a massive shell buff as a result is kinda insane.

What next? F-15 cant outdogfight the Typhoon so you want Block 3 Aim-9X and Aim-120Ds?

[Beeschurger]

@Morvran

Abrams does outperform pretty much everyone else in pretty much every single respect.

Wouldnt go that far but i agree Abrams isnt the worst, since things like Merkavas and Arietes exist.

[MrBombastic8]

Every tank has bugs, lotsa bugs(except T-xx duh) but Gaijin wont fix them
Chally suffer from poor modelling and UK tea tax
Leclerc can be penned by baguette(although Leclerc armor is quite decent sometimes)
Ariete armor is the equivalent of spaghetti
ZTZ/VT armor got butchered by Gaizyn
Leopard armor especially hull armor is still paper which it shouldnt be
And lastly Abrams armor are export model armor, and hull doesnt get generational upgrade
and thats just armor alone

[Morvran]

With the exception of the Leopards and maybe the T-80BVM, what else isnt at the very least equal?

Maybe the Leclercs? Though they have a much weaker shell iirc.

Few have the mobility, firepower and protection of the Abrams. Most have 1 or 2, but I cant think of any others that have all 3 to the same degree.

[MotorolaCRO]

@MrKrabsPattys

Russian ERA shouldn’t stop APFSDS at point blank on the side, but 80% of the time it does

Even more, I don’t know how you guys even manage to kill them at all.

[Beeschurger]

@Morvran

and protection of the Abrams.

Its only this part id disagree with, but im not at home so cant really compare the armor packages right now.

I wouldnt rely on Abrams armor outside hulldown when i play KVT.

[_Ladies_Man_217]

@Morvran

for a massive shell buff

How is it “Massive”? it’s literally against Kontakt that’s it, also the addition of the SEPV2 was pretty useless without the dart.

[ron_23]

@Beeschurger

I wouldnt rely on Abrams armor outside hulldown when i play KVT.

and you shouldnt

[Morvran]

Then perhaps the better word is survivability.

At the very least, I average 2 shots per Abrams for a kill. Im a bad ground player, I dont play it often, but between blow out panels and in my experience, reasonably good armour, they usually can survive a hit.

If I see a Merkava or soemthing, it dies in one hit, every time.