In your world, Japan has joined NATO, right?
1 Like
No…? I’m saying that a south Korean sub tree for Japan since there NOT in NATO
If so, there is no logic here.
1 Like
In your world south korea is in NATO?
anyways +1! Cool idea
Of course not. But you’re the one who mentioned NATO. What does being in NATO have to do with why Korea should be a subtree of Japan?
1 Like
wait is this North Korea heli? Also what does a Technical Moderator do? I am thinking of applying for a job with War Thunder
United Korea.
TMs review bug reports in CBR and forward valid reports to developers. Everything else is like a normal player.
1 Like
Subtree for Japan would be really cool, but I’d rather that wasn’t Korea.
ASEAN nations can provide a subtree as well without the level of dislike there still is between Korea and Japan.
Korea could make a nice tree with North and South Korea together.
1 Like
Bro That’s like saying Ukraine would be a good sub tree for USSR. Since USSR use to “own” Ukraine.
1 Like
I am currently quite confused, how is the relationship between both Korea similar to the relationship between Ukraine and the Soviet Union?
For someone who claims for SK subtree for Japan to say something like this… can I laugh?
2 Likes
You do also have the option of adding one or two more DPRK helicopters and altering their BRs: North Korean Helicopter Sub-Tree
Z-5 is an easy addition, and North Korea also used the Ka-28 which I didn’t include, but could be another 7.7-ish option.
MD 500 has the option to mount an AGS-30 as well as (at least) 2x 9M111-2 missiles (+ 2x 9M14), so could be raised in BR to 8.3-ish.
The Hyŏksin-2 (Mi-2) could be given their new TV-guided missile and raised in BR to 9.0-ish.
I also wonder why you’ve got the Mi-8/-17 at 8.7? In KPAAF service they’ve only been seen with rocket pods, not bombs or the 9M17M missiles that are on the 8.3 Mi-8TB/TV in-game. They probably could mount 9M14s though.
2 Likes
I will consider the Z-5.
I’m a bit skeptical about your expected BR, because in my experience the 9M14M on the BMP-1 and the Rb 53 on the Swedish Hkp 3C are not… so good playable performances. :( So I don’t think two 9M14s can justify a BR of 8.3/9.0 for two helicopters. By the way, where did you find the name Hyŏksin-2?
To be honest, I don’t really remember now - it’s been around since I first posted this suggestion in the old forum, and I may have overestimated the performance of the Mi-8/17 back then. I agree that North Korea’s Mi-8/17 should only be equipped with rocket pods, as there is no evidence that North Korea has integrated missiles into these two helicopters.
However, I’m currently busy adjusting to a new job IRL, so I’ll update this suggestion after roll-out or first flight of MAH-1 in the news. (According to news reports so far, the MAH-1’s roll-out is scheduled for late October, with the first flight in December.)
2 Likes
Ah, no, my argument was that the BR should be raised due to the AGS-30 and the 9M111-2. The only other loadout that’s been seen for the MD 500 is 4x 9M14s, which would place it squarely at 8.0. The 9M111-2 has a slightly shorter range but has higher pen, and the AGS could deal with open-top vehicles. And there’s also a high likelihood it could be fitted with 4 9M111s, just hasn’t been seen like that. Although maybe it would still be fine at 8.0 🤷♂️
The Hyŏksin-2 at 9.0 is predicated upon it only being equipped with the new missile. Nothing about the missile is known though – potentially an air-based version of their new NLOS ATGM (known commonly as Bulsae-4, although definitely not called that in DPRK service)? That was revealed in 2018 and the TV-missile in 2016. But it’s pure speculation just to give the DPRK branch a better helicopter than a max 8.3 one.
From here: - Vol. 1, No. 9 - September 2010
Plus ‘The Armed Forces of North Korea’ briefly mentions the name
Nice update!
Susŏngp’o (Bulsae-1) = 9M14 ‘Malyutka’
Bulsae-2 = 9M111-2
Both have been seen mounted on North Korean helicopters, there’s an image of the Bulsae-2 mounted above a Bulsae-1 on the MD 500:
Updated. I’ve refined the content of the post throughout.
If there are already suggestions for individual vehicles in the forum, I’ve linked to them.
KLH, MAH-1, AW159 and Ka-52K added.
@UnknownVariable @GildyMenn21
You’re here very quickly! :p
I’ve corrected that.
One more, do you remember anything about the photo of the North Korean-made helicopter rocket rack? It was probably an exhibition of North Korean-made weapons (like Self defense-21). I remember seeing a rocket system for helicopters that made in NK in that picture, and my intention was to equip the Mi-8 and Mi-17 with the system.
3 Likes
+1 for all except the Huey. I just don’t see why anyone is gonna buy a heli with only 14 rockets (unless it gets CCIP).
Also, what’s the armament loadout for the Z-5?
1 Like
Of course, no one would buy it. I thought it could be a simple event-of course, it shouldn’t be a painful event to collect 9 medals-or battle pass vehicle, not a GE/Pack premium.
It’s a pair of little rocket pods, so I put it at 7.7.
Don’t remember anything off the top of my head, but I’ll have to have a look, I’ll get back to you if I find anything!
1 Like
Please stay on topic, if you would like to discuss topics that are not related to the suggestion at hand, I ask that either you make a new post to discuss that or take it to DM’s.