Even if there are same vehicles, the specifications are different due to the terrain factors of korean peninsula.
Ex, N.K tanks also equipped AA or AT missiles separately things like that.
The idea of adding these unique vehicles to “random” countries as a sub-tree is totally nonsense.
It’s juat waste of its potential and probably bring chaos to Korean WT community.
Even today there are vehicles being developed in S.K and
also N.K. Hoping those vehicles will be added into the game in the future, having its own TT is critical matter.
It would be kind of a waste to make them a sub trees especially with the high numbers of vehicles they have however let’s say they become sub trees, North Korea could fit in China or Russia but South Korea would be considered unnecessary in the US Tree that leaves the question of where to place it (France and Israel could technically work).
This is the exact reason an United Korean Tree is made and suggested, it may be like an Israeli style tree but we can easily change it into a full tree but lower tiers will simply be less interesting.
Could you highlight these many copy and paste vehicles? From what i have viewed and know there is less 20-25% of that and as a reminder copy n paste is considered imo as 65-100% identical anything lower then is either extensively modified or indigenously build.
Someone already asked this, but which ones?
For North Korea:
T-34 1942
PT-76
BTR-80A
T-54
Type 59
For South Korea:
M24
M4A3
M46
M47
M36B2
M56
M48A1 (Premium)
BMP-3 (Premium)
T-80U (Squadron + slightly different compared to USSR version)
This is a total of ~14 vehicles in a tree with 102 vehicles total, that’s 13.7% copy paste. Really not that bad, especially compared to some other trees in game.
The vast majority of vehicles are indigenous designs or modifications. (I guess you could also make the argument that the base Ch’onma is also copy-paste, but it would require a different model, and it was actually built in North Korea, and forms the basis for pretty much all other NK MBTs.)
I know of a couple indigenous modifications to NK aircraft but unfortunately most of it is limited to new bombs or weapon rails. And there’s only 1-2 actual indigenous aircraft, which are really only known from some grainy images.
MiG-15 - Additional pylons (increased CAS)
Shenyang F-5/MiG-17 - Although it’s already in-game it was an North Korean modification.
J-6/MiG-19 - Additional pylons (increased CAS)
MiG-21PFM/BiS - Wired to carry the North Korea AGP-250 glide bomb.
Information is from the book - The Armed Forces of North Korea On The Path of Songun
(additional sources)
2 of Nortn Korea’s indigenous aircraft :
Quite unremarkable to be honest, but better than nothing.
Shenyang F-5 is a joy to fly though, so I hope that would make it to a united tree if it were to be added.
For as much as it’s mentioned online, North Korea very rarely, if ever, produces mock-ups of vehicles and tries to pass them off as real. Almost every vehicle seen in parades has also been seen in service, in training exercises, etc. including the M2020 MBT, the M2018 NLOS ATGM carrier, the M2020 8x8 ATGM APC, etc. I see no reason why such an underwhelming vehicle (122mm cannon taken from a 1970s-era SPG) would be faked, especially as it was shown alongisde those other vehicles.
The context was fine, but the solution is highly doubtable.
You are ignoring the fact that both have no relations at all.
stop trolling if you don’t have any “brilliant idea”
I’m not sure if the first indigenous aircraft can be realistically added since it looks like a basic trainer though i could be wrong at that and can carry some armaments.
The second indigenous aircraft on the other hand has a lot of potential and should actively be looked into
North Korea to China is relatively well-received (just see the votes on my NK sub-tree suggestion), but South Korea to Japan is not very well-received, particularly amongst Korean players, due to historical reasons. Some argue that NK should go with the USSR instead, but either work well.
If we went along technological grounds and similarities, if South Korea were to be added as a sub-tree, the US is the best option, given their very close relations and technological similarities (lots of imported US vehicles, US aided heavily in development of K1, etc.). Japan is not a good option, neither historically nor in terms of vehicles – they have no history of shared weapons development or something similar, unlike South Africa + UK, or Finland + Sweden.
But, an issue with the US idea, is that Gaijin won’t extend trees past 5 lines just yet, due to UI constraints.
A United Korea tree eliminates any issues related with sub-trees, and lets more unique vehicles be added that wouldn’t otherwise.
You already said the exact same thing before.
watch the thread again. There are reasons why the majority of people are opposed to that idea.
S.K. has enough vehicles to make its own TT and by adding N.K. together, United Korea TT will become an enjoyable TT.
There are a series of new vehicles under development for S.K. military, but making them as a sub-tree will just waste its true potential. If you truly want to see as many Korean vehicles in the game as possible, independent TT is the only way.
