It’s like 7 or 8 vehicles and whatever else.
maybe something after the T80 and something else as a light tank and tank destroyer but 7 or 8 vehicles in there its too much
Exactly how?
this is what it coluld fit before overloading the tech tree, right where the T80BVM is it could fit in a folder with the T80BVM 2023 the T90M could in a folder with the T90M 2020, and i havent even counted the export variants yet
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It doesn’t need exports in the research tree, that stuff already is used for events and premiums.
that’s why i didnt count the export vehicles and still they have other 2 mbt options and im not counting the T 14
This may just be me, but the way it makes sense for Ukrainian vehicles to be in the USSR, is it kinda messes with my ADHD. Because having T72/T64/T80 series/BTR series and just other modifications to the vehicles really makes it match well with the vehicles in the USSR tree. That’s also a reason why I’d like Ukraine to be in the USSR tree.
in paper it makes it fit well but in reallity it dosent, as much as these are modified russian vehicles the concept of ukranian vehicle its to use the a mixed doctrine of both the west and the east, would be high contrast with the russian tech tree and honestly would be a waste if ukraine goes as a sub tech tree since a lot of vehicles wouldnt have space in the russian tech tree
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I don’t know. It’s a hard decision. I see why it can be an independent tree. But also I can see why it can be a “sub tree”. Sometimes not even that considering it needs an extra line which we won’t get in years from now
There was no purpose of keeping few hundreds new tanks (produced since 1985) that served less than a decade? Just, wow.
Who needs those new top of the line T-80UD’s when the storage bases are filled with juicy T-62’s and T-54’s, amirite?
Returning to topic, yesterday some military bloggers remembered about M60 for some reason (perhaps in context of possible future donations), and the M60A3-84 project was discussed again.
This was the project conducted by Kharkiv Morozov Machine Building Design Bureau for Turkey and was basically an upgrade of М60А3 with 120mm gun, Yatagan turret, 6TD engine, some other components from Т-84 and protection systems Nizh\Duplet, Zaslon and Varta.
Cached page from KhKBM.
more images of the project model
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New evidence of L27 APFSDS usage on Ukrainian Challenger 2 was seen in recent video report from The Sun.
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All modernizations of T-80Us took place from 1990-1992, while the T-72B went from 1990-1996.
The T-80UD was incompatible with these changes, using an entirely (and inferior) different powerplant. There was no reason in keeping them when they would be scrapped or reconverted for use of the new GTD-1250.
To call them “new” is laughable. For the same reason America ditched the Legacy M1 in '96, Russia did the exact same to the T-80UD.
Top of the line… Right. They were capable of firing early '80s ammunition at the best, had a horribly inefficient, underpowered, and problematic powerpack. It’s the same reason why work on the T-72 was invested in while the T-64 was left behind for the T-80. It simply had inferior systems by the time that innovation was implemented, and it lacked the capability to implement them.
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I don’t want it, I need it
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About adding Ukrainian trees to the USSR.
This is just nonsense, don’t be offended, but by what miracle? Stories about were part of the USSR?
Ok, let’s take a history textbook. Let’s start then with the countries that were under the control of Britain, Portugal, France and so on.
I wrote above about the USA and Britain, let’s add Australia here, but we still have Eastern countries and African countries somewhere.
Let’s add a branch to those because they were under management.
So how do you understand this nonsense.
Surely you realize that said former possessions from other countries are already present in trees in game? Take UK and ZA for example.
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I know that they exist, but I said more Globally
I genuinely have no clue what point you’re trying to make then.
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I will argue your position regarding the fact that the Tree of Ukraine cannot be added as a sub-tree of the USSR
And if it does?
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