Tbh I find it worse than the su-34 as 3x the missiles means it terrorises you for much longer. Twice in my games I have seen typhoons get nukes from doing cas, you don’t really see the su-34 doing that?
Fixed that for you ;)
Who wants to use IRIS-T when you could have ASRAAM?
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Yep. If ANY other nation had something like the Su-34 with 6 insane AGMs, I would be equally as annoyed. Problem is, NO OTHER nation has something like this.
NO OTHER nation has an AA capable of playing Anti-AGM. The AGMs can fire further than any AA can reach. They are FnF, IOG, IR so you won’t get an LWS alert from it.
The ONLY AA capable of consistently denying Su-34 kills is the Pantsir :D
Really confusing how this was deemed perfectly acceptable to be put into the game.
I know thunderskill isn’t 100% accurate, but look at the last month stats
Su-34 averaging 2.07 Ground frags per battle. 2.6 ground kills per death.
EF-2000 (Ger) averaging .34 ground frags per battle. .44 ground kills per death.
Rafale averaging .66 ground frags per battle. 1.02 ground kills per death.
F-15E averaging 1.03 ground frags per battle. 1.26 ground kills per death.
bRiMsToNeS aRe ToO gOoD
Give me a break.
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why should you comparing pure strike roled aircraft to air superiority ones? ( im calling it that way cuz majority uses in air rb rather than ground). If we go by the statshark, im averagin 8-9 K/D in typhoon and rafale by just only using them in ground battles.
Bombs don’t work very well in War Thunder top BR matches. Why even mention them? Everything which has to do with target lazing is super meh in WT above BR 10.3.
In WT it needss to be F&F missiles or nothing.
Just compare the ground frag stats of EF2000 vs. russian Suchois with KH’s… EF2000 is a total failure in GRB, the bombs and Brimstones just don’t work vs Pantsirs.
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Then why didn’t the Tornado Gr4 come with better AGMs?
Both the Su-34 and Tornado Gr4 came in the same update. Originally the Gr4 only had 9x Brimstones.
It still only has Brimstone 1s and not Brimstone 2s like the Typhoon should also have. It’s insane they had a very long and rather inaccurate post regarding the Brimstones being “too OP” but then add the Su-34 with 6x KH-38s after everyone has been complaining about the Su-25SM3 for months and they weren’t even slightly nerfed. Not even the removal of IOG
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im not defending russia having better missiles or smth you all are missing the point. Typhoon, with that fm(bit slaggish than gripen but still)performs the best cas at top tier for long therm by both interception and cas. If you still think typhoon sucks with laser brimstone, it’s skill issue.
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It got 0.3 frags per battle in GRB on Thunderskill. Russian Suchois have 7x better stats. Its a massive difference. How can you write this? Its the worst, cause the wepons are not good. The FM is not really important if you just have meh ordnance.
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It has an ahistorical missile that is nerfed through the floor.
Typhoon NEVER used Brimstone 1s only the Brimstone 2s that can still be limited to SAL only.
The fact you are forced to fly at 50ft, and make hack and slash attacks with the brimstones at less than 10km does kinda show its really not. When everyone else is slinging AGMs at 20km without issue an Su-34 can easily get 12-18 kills in the same amount of time the Typhoon takes to use up all Brimstones and it is highly unlikely you will actually get 18x kills with them because they have a tendency to do little damage.
Typhoon is the fourth strongest CAS at top tier at the moment and is way behind the Su-34, Rafale and F-15E.
The Typhoon is underperforming significantly and calling “skill issue” doesnt change that fact.
You can get kills with any CAS aircraft at top tier, doesnt mean that its the best.
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now compare air kills and then tell me why typhoon has the higher stats.
Were talking about GRB and about killing ground stuff.
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Most likely the rafale. its by FAR the superior CAP aircraft at hte moment at top tier. Typhoon has one of the weakest radars at top tier at the moment and in the CQB envrioment of GRB, the AESA + MICA are WAY stronger AND they have 6x FnF AGMs. I’d even have to give strengths to the Su-34, small map sizes heavily favour the PESA+R-77 combo, Typhoon is only really strong when it can exploit the AMRAAM range and its climb advantage
Also, I never once saw the F-16C or the F-16A before that limited to an ahistorical AGM just because it was also the strongest CAP aircraft
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I dont care for historical accuraccy or not, even with laser only mode, it still performs very well in ground battles and especially deals with any aa without an issue thx to high number count of a-g missiles. You dont have much choice besides flying low if enemy plane is already up. And please stop calling those FnF missiles +20km while they start tracking objects within 12kms even for the KH38. By speaking of the rafale, it does well in CAP because micahs are the strongest fox3, thypoon has the strongest irst and can do sneak up attacks by just changing radar mode. Love entire community whines about nato and russia cas meanwhile they played none
no, you’re comparing air superiority multirole fighter to pure strike aircraft. That’s why its low
And yet, is underperforming loads and no other aircraft has been denied buffs because “meh, it’s doing fine” By that logic the Su-34, F-16C and F-15E should have no A2G at all because their previous incarnations were “doing fine” .
And so can everyone else, I dont see why this is relevant, Yes, we have 18x missiles that require being fired at one target at a time and have a max range of 10km. Everyone else has 6x FnF missiles with a max range averaging 20-30km. We have to enter within range of even the weakest SPAA and leave ourselves heavily exposed to enemy CAP but everyone esle can just fire from safety.
should not here, you wont always have 18x Brimstones. I usually still run 4-8 PW4s because I prefer them massively over the Brimstone 1s at the moment, especially as they have limited multi-target engagement, something the Brimstones cannot do. You may also want/need the extra AAMs which also cuts into the Brimstone count. I would assume an average of more like 6-12
SAL only mitigates the quantity advantage, the same way the Su-39s had 16x Vikhrs and everyone else only had 4? AGM-65s that had far more limited range back then as well. No one was jumping up and down complaining about the “OP quantity of missiles the Su-39 had/has”
Either balance the quantity advantage with SAL but give us historically accurate Brimstone 2s or give us FnF Brimstone 1s in a limited count. I do not see the SU-34 limited to laser guided KH-29s.
They can be fired beyond the max range of any and all SPAA except the Pantsir and yes, they can be used as FnF out to 20km, if the target remains within the area of th IR seeker when it gets closer.
It does not, Rafales is better at the moment and not that much better than the Su-27s. Its MASSIVELY underperforming at the moment. Heck it cant even be used to guide AMRAAMs like it could IRL.
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it’s supersonic, has a PESA radar and has R-77s.
Pure Strike aircraft are aircraft like the Tornado, A-10, Su-24, F-111, Harrier, etc. Heck, even the AV-8B+ is closer to a “pure strike aircraft” than the Su-34 is.
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The only top tier plane Germany has is the EF-2000, so I must compare them.
It would be insane to compare the Su-34 to the ASSTA1, but we can if you’d like, it would show Su-34 massively overperforming against it.
There’s a reason I used thunderskill, as it grabs the data from a lot of different sources, instead of n=1 where “I’m good at using it, so it must be good!”
The real question is:
Why were brimstones artificially nerfed before coming into the game, but you have the Su-34 that absolutely dominates CAS at top tier? You have 6 FNF IR IOG AGMs that have 0 issue with “top attacking” or getting kills, yet other FNF IR missiles (Spikes, PARS) consistently bounce and do not perform their intended “top-down attack?”
It REALLY does not make any sense.
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He’s also forgetting the German EF-2000 DOES NOT have IRST.
There is that too, but even on the FGR4 that I fly, I barely ever use the IRST at the moment, even in ASB. Its just not good enough yet and can be as much a hinderance as it can be an asset due to the lack of IFF. In gamemodes with friendly markers where you can use it in HMD mode, its fairly good, but its not this super weapon, and besides, so does the Rafale and Su-27.
and then ontop of that, then yeah, Germany doesnt have PIRATE at all.
But it is funny to consider the Su-34 a “pure strike aircraft” and therefore consider it 100% equal in terms of both A2A and A2G performance to the Tornado ASSTA1 or even the Tornado Gr4
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