Frontal protection is a lot when the enemy cannot pen you, pretty sure it matters for the M18 when it faces the Panther.
T-90A has 100mm more pen, 580 vs 480mm
T-90A has a tandem ATGM with 850mm of pen.
T-90A has an FOV of 28 degrees vs 8.
T-90A has gen 2 thermals vs gen 1 thermals.
Really don’t see it being that much of a problem to be at the same BR if the 2A5 is at the same BR of the 2A7.
11.3 is very well justifiable. 11.7 is not though.
This is like one of those reddit comparison memes that shows all the advantages of tank A but conveniently leaves out all the advantages of tank B.
Again, the M18 can easily flank, and should do it against the Panther.
Same goes for the Type 90.
If it does get into a situation where it is front-on with a T-90A, it still has better survivability than the T-90A, as you can sidescrape and get his track, thus letting you move even further away and snipe his ammunition.
The T-90A’s armour is only really useful if they are rushing you front-on (which the T-90A lacks mobility compared to the Type 90), or at very long ranges (as its round and frontal armour is very good for the BR).
And that’s all the advantages it gets.
Type 90 has a MUCH better reload (4s compared to 7.1s)
Type 90 has 30HP/TON compared to T-90A’s 21.5 HP/TON (effectively 40% greater acceleration).
Type 90 has a MUCH better reverse speed (34KM/H compared to 4.2KM/H), meaning that if the T-90A blunders a single shot, it will be massively punished.
Type 90 has a MUCH better vertical targeting speed (8.0 degrees per second compared to 2.8 degrees per second), and better horizontal targeting speed (26 degrees per second compared to 20 degrees per second).
Type 90 has blow out panels, which makes it much more survivable compared to the T-90A’s ammunition carousel.
Type 90 has 7 degrees of gun depression (which can be increased to around 11 degrees with the hydropneumatic suspension), whereas the T-90A only gets 4 degrees.
Need I say more?
Strawman argument. I never stated that the 2A5 should be the same BR as the 2A7. They should be different. You are only saying it’s fair because Gaijin made it so.
We already talked about those and that was the argument why it needs to be higher, these are the things the T-90A has over the Type 90.
Right, so it has pros and cons, seems perfectly fine for them to be at the same BR, acceleration is nice but you’re not going to kill someone with acceleration.
Type 90 has better gun handling, and the T-90 has a better gun with vastly more pen, vastly more armor protection at the expense of the mobility the Type 90 has.
You haven’t played competitively enough to know how vital mobility is, along with all those things.
There’s a reason why most comp players choose the Leopard 2K over the T-64B, and why the 2K is now 10.0.
T-90 still goes 67km/h with the Type 90 going 73 km/h, it’s not like it’s a Maus, it’s perfectly capable to get around the map, it just accelerates a bit slower, the lack of depression and reverse are the only concern for it’s combat effectiveness.
In my test run the Type 90 took 55 seconds and the T-90 took 63 seconds over the same track, so about 15% slower.
Vehicles are limited by their acceleration and maximum speed.
Sure, it’s 15% on perfectly flat terrain, but in combat, it isn’t always about going in a straight line (where their maximum speed caps their separation distance).
T-90A has no neutral steering, nor the reverse speed, meaning that it takes longer to turn around.
No reverse speed means that you must turn the entire hull away from the front, which means that you are exposed to enemy fire.
The T-90A has to go around hills (to be safe) instead of using its gun depression (which the Type 90 can).
Maps may require you to climb hills, get off hills quickly, sidescrape tanks quickly and effectively, take pot shots etc…
The more mobile you are (and the better gun handling you have), the better you can do in all these aspects.
Your armour, with the Type 90, is your mobility, reload, and cover - along with the armour and survivability of pretty much an upgraded 2A4.
If you still don’t think they shouldn’t be the same BR as each other, I suggest 1v1ing with the T-90A, with my friend, who has a Type 90.
It’s not just flat terrain, it’s a straight road follow by a hill climb, 180 turn and a return off road of the same length, you might lose out to a Type 90 on a cap rush but you won’t be far behind.
The game also isn’t a 1v1, that’s an entirely different discipline than how the game is played, a Type 90 can utilize the map freely if there only is one enemy where in an actual match it cannot, it’s a lot more likely to get one shot by a plethora of targets as where the T-90 will be more survivable and more capable of killing targets with the very high pen and the tandem ATGM.
The Type 90 is perfect for multiple targets. Heck, do you know how long it reloads for?
T-90A has the same weakspots as any T-series tanks. They all blow up the same, and have the same issues. The Type 90 is generally more survivable.
So you think all light tanks are terrible?
Because it sounds like you think armour is the only key to staying alive.
Having armor that is strong enough to stop shells is pretty important, beyond that no armor is best armor as GAijin clearly lacks the competence to make them work in a realistic manner.
Bringing WW2 vehicles into this is not only moving the goalposts and playing whataboutism but showing how much of a nothingburger your argument is.
All the other nation’s MBTs are only marginally slower than the Type 90 - It doesn’t have enough of an advantage to get to a position and post up without being spotted, especially on these increasingly WoT-style garbage maps where every vehicle that relies on flanking is getting shafted.
It’s armor is basically non-existent. You see it and shoot it and in the event your first shot doesn’t kill it that shot will have crippled it, giving you an easy 2nd shot to finish. If that shot failed to kill or cripple, than you either got Gaijin’d or you screwed up royally.
As already stated, that 4 second reload gives less of an advantage with so many other vehicles getting reloading buffs, which is good for them but doesn’t actually fix those other vehicle’s modeling issues. And since it’s autoloaded if the AL gets shot out then you’re SoL and most likely very dead.
I’m proving a point that you don’t need to have the best protection to be competitive. The T-90A sacrifices a lot of things to have the luxury that is a good round and good frontal armour.
Something that the Panther does too, in a similar way. The hellcat is still a very good vehicle, despite this.
The Type 90’s armour is not paper thin. Its cheeks are almost as good as the M1A1’s, its UFP is fairly good, and the LFP can be trolly with its fuel tanks.
The way you play it is not the same as you would with the T-90A. Doing so will obviously make you think it’s a terrible vehicle.
If you do penetrate the T-90A (with a simple LFP shot, drivers port, breech, or a side shot), you will almost always one shot it or severly cripple it. Especially now that the autoloader is almost always destroyed when shooting anywhere. If the T-90A misses his shot, he has nowhere to run, his reload is 7.1 seconds, and is completely at the mercy of your bad aim.
Still an advantage nonetheless. Buffing crappy vehicles like the Ariete doesn’t hurt you nearly as bad as helping them be slightly better.
You’re the same dude who complains that there is Russian Bias in the game still, whilst never playing a single one of their T-series tanks.
You’ll never reach that though unless you theow it off a cliff.
The Type 90 is just so so much better than the T-90A it’s not even funny.
Pretty sure it easily hits 60 km/h regardless, I don’t have a spaded one to test.
It can reach 60, but I wouldn’t say easily. It took my pretty much spaded T-90A ~21 seconds to reach that speed on the hard road in the test drive.
My Fuji did the same in ~13 seconds.
I did read it all.
Last time I checked Gaijin still doesn’t base BR’s to single player performance or even 100 people performance. Of course you might have your own info about this.
Well no, but neither do they really base them on raw performance either (at least after they first implement a vehicle).
for me it plays more like a light tank, you can’t take a hit at all.
before the changes you faced them anyway, but now you can’t feast on 9.0 anymore.
