So what would this offer in game over the existing version? A reskinned vehicle isn’t exactly the best or most urgent addition. If every production batch/block of every vehicle was worth adding to the game there’d be a thousand P-51s and a million T-55s lol.
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What it will offer is another vehicle for 9.7 lineup! So people don’t have to spend backup everytime they die in the Type 16. The same reason why you have Type 74F, Type 90B and TKX, they are all the same tanks to their predecessors and what they offer is addtional backup.
It would also extending the TD branch and help in reducing the RP and SL costs on the regular Type 16 which is currently the end of the line.
Additionally it won’t be blocking you from researching another vehicle since there is nothing else past the Type 16. So instead of wasting RP from playing Type 16, why not adding another vehicle so you can spend those RP in researching it instead ? There is absolutely nothing to lose here…
But unless for some reason you’re really enjoying up BR the Type 74 to 9.7-10.7, then i guess you maybe not wanting another Type 16 to remain relevant and competitive.
I don’t know how you came to conclusion that this is a reskin when i spent lot of time explaining the differences between the base and newer MCV in the suggestion albeit minor changes, but modify to the model will be required regardless.
The Russia has a much larger diverse when it come to tank designs. Why would you want ‘‘million’’ of T-55 when there are million of other designs that can be added into the game otherwise ?
Beside, is not there like ‘‘million’’ of T-54/55 variants already in the game anyway ? While there is still only one Type 16 in the game so far.
Type 16 FPS doesn’t count because it is not a new variant but that is what a true reskinned vehicle looks like.
Type 16 (P) is not a Type 16 but a MCV prototype which is not a variant of the mass-produced model. But more MCVs in the game should also be considered.
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That is a possibility. You can even add a new ammunition to it like the DM63 APFSDS since its JSW 105mm gun is competible with NATO munition. Consider how ammunition is used for balancing purpose i don’t see why it can’t be done.
But my initial idea is to have it folded with the base Type 16 so you can have a backup especially they moved the Type 16 to 9.7 making it impossible to build a proper lineup without up BR something into Type 16 lineup or up BR the Type 16 itself by placing it with the Type 90 and Type 10.
With Type 16 C5 you could have two 9.7 vehicles or three vehicles if you want to play it with the Type 81, which i think you should be doing fine at 10.0-11.0.
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I’d appreciate having something like this, since the jump from the Type 74s at the 8.x / 9.x area to the Type 90 at 11.0 is a little jarring, and doesn’t allow for much in the way of lineups.
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i would want this ingame if it has a dm63 similar round for 10.0 BR, also maybe a different turret face this time? like the one with triangular flat side on it. it looked cooler to me.
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I’m pretty sure you are talking about the MCV prototype, it is in other suggestion.
This is a service Type 16 which adopted arrowhead design.
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+1, if better penetrating NATO ammunition is added (DM63 etc) could be added this will be a great addition and also competitive alongside the current Type 90 lineup. Type 16 can perform amazingly at higher BRs if it was able to use a round with better penetration, and in my opinion is very much more balanced at a higher br with better apfsds
I remember Gaijin saying something about if the vehicles is capable of using such weaponry that it may have it in game. Something along those lines, not sure where I read it, I could be wrong and imagining things cuz idk where to find it lol sorry if im wrong. But yea.
+1 with NATO ammo available if can
it could get M1060A3 (Similar performance to DM/JM33) and a the M68A1 Reload speed and be put at 10.7/11.0 to be in a lineup with the Type 90
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given that all these differences are useless in warthunder, i just think C5 may only be a folded vehicles, and you said that it need make mode remake, i dont belive gaijin have time to do the mode remake to a cant C&P fold vehicles
Guys, we might have a solution here
https://twitter.com/Military_Hobbys/status/1736678857712054506?t=4Jv4NPp4j9t-gNnn_2HY4Q&s=33
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A proposal about enhance power of MCV’s APFSDS round? the 徹甲彈 is the AP(FSDS) right?
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Hell yeah, as of rn no info about it but it’s confirmed that the contract has been signed and that it’s in developement
Some beutiful C5 in action.
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Brand new Type 16 delievered to the 10th reconnaissance combat batalion.
It is said that the fire control computer also also been updated.
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This MCV diagram is very useful. Additionally, it also highlights the features of the C5 specifications.
Here are the translation that i have spent hours on writting, i hope you find it informative!
1) Turret rear rack
A large rack with an air conditioning unit incorporated is mounted on the rear of the turret shell. From the procurement of the C4 specification in the FY2019 budget (completed around 2021), air conditioning (air conditioning) has been installed. This occupies two-thirds of the volume and can only carry about as much as a fuel canister.
2) The antenna for wideband multi-purpose radio equipment.
The antenna of wideband multi-purpose radio equipment, capable of wireless communication and data transmission between vehicles, is movable from the front to a diagonal angle of 45 degrees rearward. From the C5 specification, a guard frame has been added to the antenna base.
3) 76mm smoke grenade launcher
Launches for smoke grenades that explode in the air to generate dense white smoke, concealing the vehicle from visual and laser detection. Simultaneously emits multi-wavelength infrared to interfere with infrared-guided missiles.
4) GPS Antennas
In the photo, they are not visible, hidden behind the commander’s periscope housing, but between the commander’s seat and the loader’s seat, there are GPS antennas arranged front and back. One set forms a pair with the GPS antenna on the right side of the turret rear, dedicated to the network, while the other set is associated with the wideband multi-purpose radio.
5) Commander’s Periscope
A periscope with independent full 360-degree rotation using a mid-infrared camera optical system (slightly simplified compared to the Type 10 tank). It uses a combination of optical and digital magnification. Abbreviated as PC Periscope, Commander.
6) 12.7mm Heavy Machine Gun
The gun mount for the heavy machine gun can accommodate a 5.56mm machine gun or a 40mm grenade launcher with attachments. In the C5 specification, the gun mount’s recoil mechanism has been enlarged, and the bottom cover has been changed to a sliding type.
7) Laser Detection Device
Detects ranging laser light from enemy tank guns and aiming laser light from anti-tank missiles.
8) Type 74 Vehicle-mounted 7.62mm Machine Gun (B)
Derived from the Type 62 7.62mm machine gun, the Type 74 is a vehicle-mounted variant modified for sustained fire capability, featuring enhancements such as a heavy barrel. Within the vehicle, a cooling system is installed to facilitate forced air cooling of the machine gun.
9) Gunner’s Periscope Sight
A turret-fixed box-type periscope integrating visible camera optical system and mid-infrared camera optical system. Magnification for both systems is digitally adjustable. Abbreviated as PG = Periscope, Gunner.
10) Gunner’s Backup Sight
An optical scope serving as a backup in case both the visible and infrared camera optical systems of the gunner’s periscope become inoperative. Also extensively utilized for forward observation and surveillance. Not visible in the photo, but there is a circular aperture on the right side of the barrel.
11) Driver’s Hatch
A driver’s hatch equipped with three periscopes integrated for observation. It flips up at the front and then slides to the right. During road travel, a windscreen is mounted atop.
12) 105mm Rifled Gun
The barrel length is 105mm longer than that of the Type 74 tank, with a length of 52 calibers (5.46m). It features a multi-perforated muzzle brake at the tip and a fume extractor in the central portion.
13) Driver’s Night Vision Device
A thermal imaging device (infrared camera) that is effective regardless of nighttime, driving during obscuration, or in conditions of poor visibility due to bad weather or daytime. It comes with a flip-up, open-close type protective cover on the front.
14) Additional Armor Type II (Added Camouflage Loops)
The formal name of the increased armor in the front of the vehicle is Additional Armor Type II, Starting from the C5 specification.
15) Engine Cooling Air Intake
Utilized for drawing in air to cool different components, including the inline 4-cylinder, 4-stroke diesel engine, variable nozzle turbocharger, and torque converter equipped with a planetary gear automatic transmission.
16) Towing Hooks
Towing hooks are utilized for towing or being towed in case of immobilization, connecting wire ropes to secure the vehicle to trailers, transport ships, etc. They are equipped with two towing shackles as standard equipment.
17) Front Lighting Equipment
On the housing of the vehicle’s left and right sides, there are front headlights (one each for low beam and high beam), driving lights, width indicator lights, turn signals, and a warning siren. Additionally, on the right side, there is also a control driving light in addition to these.
18) Rearview Mirror Mounting Area
This is a pipe-type socket used for attaching rearview mirrors (back mirrors) necessary for road travel. The back mirrors use commercially available universal parts commonly found in large trucks and construction machinery.
19) Direction Indicators
In addition to the direction indicators (blinkers) located on the front and rear of the vehicle, there are also two pairs of direction indicators equipped on the sides of the vehicle. All of these also function as hazard lamps, providing continuous flashing lights when activated.
20) Engine Exhaust Port
The engine’s exhaust port is molded into a small grille shape, and surrounding it is a thin composite heat shield similar to that near the exhaust port of the Type 10 tank, designed to suppress infrared radiation.
21) Engine Cooling Air Exhaust Vent
The air taken in from the upper surface of the front of the vehicle, after cooling components such as radiators and oil coolers, is discharged from here. The formal term for this is apparently “cooling fan lattice.”
22) Wheels
Wheels are fitted with hard ‘beads’ on the wheels (size 20×10.00), enabling continued driving even in the event of a puncture with run-flat tires (tire size is 395/85R20). Steering is performed by the front two axles with four wheels.
23) Engine intake and exhaust system (shape improvement)
The integrated box on the vehicle’s side serves as an air cleaner cover. Below it, steps for embarking and disembarking have been added, increasing the places to step from the C5 specification and greatly improving accessibility.
24) LED underlight (added)
Lights have been added to illuminate the area near the rear two wheels, which may be difficult for the crew to see during nighttime passage in narrow areas or while reversing around corners (the light is directed inwards to avoid directly dazzling the light source).
25) GPS antenna mast (raised)
With the installation of additional racks for preventing cargo from falling off, it was anticipated that the cargo might obstruct the view of the GPS antenna. To address this, the antenna mast was raised to increase the installation height of the antenna.
26) Commander’s hatch
Around the commander’s hatch, six periscopes for external observation are equipped. Additionally, a windscreen, which is essential for road travel, can be installed at the front of the hatch.
27) Cargo Rack (Added)
When bulky items such as vehicle covers or cargo nets are loaded on the rear upper surface of the turret, there is a risk of cargo shifting or detachment. Therefore, cargo racks with a shape similar to those used on light armored vehicles have been added to address this concern.
28) Loader’s Hatch
The loader’s hatch is positioned behind the commander’s rotating periscope for inspection and observation. As an external observation device for the loader, a fixed periscope angled sideways is mounted.
29) Cleaning Rod Case
A case for storing cleaning rods used to clean the gun barrel was mounted on the rear rack of the turret from the C4 specification. Previous types up to the C3 specification were likely stored inside the vehicle at the rear.
30) Battery Compartment Hatch
The electrical system of the mobile combat vehicle operates on 24 volts. The power supply consists of batteries, power units, voltage boost converters, connection boxes, and other components.
31) Number light
A Number Light is a light used to illuminate the vehicle number (license plate) painted on the vehicle. It is a commercially available universal part and appears to be exactly the same, including its color, as those used on regular buses and trucks.
32) Eye Plate
An “eye plate” is used for purposes such as hanging by a crane and for connecting ropes during transportation. It’s worth noting that the hanging head at the front of the vehicle is not visible as it is concealed by additional armor.
33) Wheel Chock Rack
A “Wheel Chock Rack” is a rack used to store wheel chocks, which are devices placed against the wheels of a stationary vehicle to prevent it from rolling. It’s noteworthy that including manufacturer genuine parts for wheel chocks as official accessories is innovative.
34) Towing Shackles
Intermediate rings for connecting wire ropes to eye plates. Two are included as standard. It should be noted that shackles are considered accessories and are painted in a dark green regardless of the vehicle’s paint scheme.
35) Portable Tools (Pioneer Tools)
From the left side of the vehicle, a set of pioneer tools is arranged. It includes a detachable hoe with a cross-shaped blade, a sickle with a circular blade, what appears to be a jack, and the handle of the hoe. The main body of the jack is not visible from outside the vehicle.
36) Rear Hatch
Since regular use for embarking and disembarking is not intended, the size is smaller. Similar to the additional armor at the front of the vehicle, numerous loops for camouflage nets have been newly installed on the rear of the vehicle, including this hatch.
37) Towing Steel Cable (Tow Wire)
Continuing from the traditional setup, equipped with a steel wire rope commonly used for normal towing operations (also applicable for vehicles with winches). For vehicles equipped with winches, a fairlead for the winch has been newly installed beside it.
38) Embark/Disembark Steps
These steps are apparently frequently used for embarking and disembarking by the crew, as evidenced by marks left on the rear of the vehicle where the armored boots have made contact. Only the top step has a slightly different mounting angle.
39) Rear Lighting System.
Inside the housing, there are round-shaped rear marker lights (combination width, tail, brake lights, and reverse lights), rectangular triple-direction indicators combined with emergency flashing lights, and tail lights combined with brake lights and rear selection lights, all covered by protective bars.
40) The Plaque
The inscription includes “Manufacturing No. **W”, “May 2022”, “Type 16 Mobile Combat Vehicle”, “Type 16MCV”, and “Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Ltd.”. There are no additional annotations on the model name, and it remains the same for both standard and C5 specification.
41) Winch Fairlead (For Winch-Equipped Vehicles Only)
The wire pulled from the winch device at the rear of the vehicle is redirected forward by this fairlead. Guides are provided to prevent the wire from detaching from the fairlead.
42) Carry-on tools (winch-equipped vehicles only)
With the installation of a winch pulley on the rear of the vehicle, the shovel and axe have been relocated from the rear surface of the vehicle to the rear upper surface. The position of the iron crowbar remains unchanged from the previous model.
43) Dragline cover (winch-equipped vehicles only).
The winch wire is guided and pulled out by four rollers inside the cover, two each horizontally and vertically. The cover is designed to accommodate the looped end of the wire.
44) Winch device trumpet (for winch-equipped vehicles only).
The wire pulled from the rear of the vehicle is guided forward through the trumpet (bell mouth). The trumpet is designed to be split to pass the wire end through. Vehicles equipped with winches have a different shape of additional armor to accommodate the installation of the trumpet.
45) Winch pulley (for winch-equipped vehicles only).
To guide the winch wire without it making contact with the vehicle body, there are four winch pulleys and two guide rollers arranged on the upper surface from the front to the rear of the vehicle.
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A replica of the C5 equipped with winch device towing a light truck is really cool! Shizuoka Hobby Show 2024
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That thing is dissapearing and i’m gonna be the culprit of it
+1, though I’d like it to have a gameplay-relevant difference over the regular Type 16 MCV. Maybe slightly shorter reload due to air conditioning, or better ammo (foreign or improved Type 93) as others have suggested.
Otherwise I just don’t see a point in adding it. Sure a backup would be nice, but as far as gameplay is concerned it’s totally identical.
Suggestion passed to the developers for consideration.
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