Yeah, and both the Ariete and Challenger can take a shot without the turret ring getting destroyed. Instead of using the protection map which is pretty useless, sit there and actually see what the ricochet shots do.
If you guys can, check this video. Talks a bit about the abrams problems, uses and such.
The amount of times a straight shot through the breech kills the entire turret crew may suprise you.
Every mechanism needs oil to function it doesn’t makes them hydraulic.
Hydraulic actuator for autoloader in T-64/80.
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I think we were talking about T-series (Excluding T-64A) turret horizontal traverse not about every system and if you want to model every possible mechanism in the tank i advise to stop it will backfire horribly.
The turret is semi-tied with the autoloader, which is kind of like a turret basket. If the autoloader were damaged and jammed, the turret would not turn.
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Lubrication flow does not dictate the rate at which a hydraulicly driven machine operates, or any machine for that matter, it dictates if it seizes up or not.
That is the loading gate hydraulic ram of a T-64, which, requires hydraulic pressure to function.
Oh no, we’ve started down this path and I expect everything to be modeled, or at least the same equipment that has already been modeled on the M1 and Leopards. Thus, the present hydraulic systems in the T-64 and T-80 need to be modeled as they are present.
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Do you understand lubricant oil works ?
Ofc narrow minded and short sighted people don’t understand how bad things could get.
The loading mechanism uses hydraulics, but it should look completely different.
Instead of the huge steel frame that is part of it now, it should actually consist of a small set of cylinders around the crew and a “leg” that feeds the projectile.
So either you get it hydraulically and the current DM will just be steel plate, or it will stay the same
Yes I with and on vehicles with both hydraulic and self lubricating instruments daily. If I close a valve on the hydraulic pump’s main outflow line I’m going to get a weaker and slower machine, meanwhile if I sinch the main lube line nothing is going to happen until it all starts grinding together.
If you think otherwise I would recommend going to your local heavy equipment dealer and having them properly explain it for you, or just get certified, its not that hard to do for anything below a trackhoe.
The die has already been cast, make it burn, everyone shall reap the rewards of a terrible design decision equally.
Ah but you see therein lies the issue, hitting the turret ring of a M1 anywhere or the vertical drive, regardless of if it does hold hydraulic fluid can cause a fire, meanwhile the autoloader on the T series tanks will never produce a fire when struck.
If we are to hold everyone to the same standard, the T series autoloader, including areas within it that do not contain hydraulic fluid, should be combustible, otherwise the M1 needs to have a majority of it’s turret basket made fully inert, but we all know that wont happen so I request the former for equality’s sake.
Make it so you cant use your optics when they get damaged, or you lose visibility when your periscopes are damaged. Oh and give gun barrels a physical impact model against structures/trees and whatnot
I guess we could also add in that in order to use outside weapon systems like roof machine guns or atgms you have to expose a crewman to use them.
Oh and re add the chance of your tank getting destroyed when you fire with a damaged gun breech.
I am sure there are a few other features they could add that would make the game even more “fun”
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Hmm.
If there’s nothing on the turret like the t-72 series, then the mechanism must move in sync with the turret in order for the mechanism to be in the right place to load a round.
Therefore, if we apply the same logic as gaijin did to the Abrams, damage to the autoloader should disable turret rotation in the t-80 series of tanks.
Correct because why should spall disable turret rotation in an Abrams, and not in a T-series tank? Do the rounds absorb the spall? Does the autoloader? And shouldn’t the turret ring that the T- series sits on be damaged and unable to move as well? Especially with, you know DU apfsds that is supposed to burn while penetrating right? So either A, the rounds should cook off, or B the traverse mechanism + autoloader should be broken. Not to mention the double standard of “rewarding players that shoot the side of a tank.”
No. The Abrams basket has hydraulic lines running through it. Note that in DM there is only an turret drive and a basket floor.
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Here I have highlighted the slip ring through which electricity flows into the turret.
The T-64/80 has no turret floor, but the turret drive is already in DM
It’s literally a frame where there’s nothing. So obviously these are completely different things.
and the T series autoloaders have both power cables and hydraulics routed through it, so damage to them should stop the turret drive via the same logic
False
this is only on Leopard 2
No, the hydraulic system of the automatic loader is not connected to the engine. These are different systems.
The Abrams looks about the same. It also has a turret drive, a floor, and a small box.
80% of what you see in the X-Ray is just a picture
yes but those lines are still present within the autoloader, and power for the turret is run from the hull, so by your own logic T series autoloader getting destroyed should break the turret drive
You will have to prove this with sources, because this is not true.