Trophy APS system for m1a2 sep v2

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M1A2 SEP V2 Abrams & Trophy APS – Forum Proposal

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Real-World Context
• Official U.S. sources confirm that M1A2 SEP V2 Abrams tanks have been tested and temporarily fitted with the Israeli Trophy Active Protection System (APS).
• In late 2018, a Fort Bliss trial saw an armored platoon of SEP V2s conduct successful live-fire and force-on-force events with Trophy installed.
• In 2020, SEP V2s deployed to Europe for DEFENDER-Europe 20 carried Trophy modules, as documented by U.S. Army Europe.
• The U.S. Army has since contracted hundreds of Trophy kits for both SEP V2 and the upcoming SEP V3 (M1A2C), demonstrating institutional intent to field APS on current Abrams models.

Comparable In-Game MBTs with APS
• Merkava Mk 4M “Windbreaker” (Israel) enters battle equipped with Trophy APS as standard.
• T-90M Proryv and T-80BVM (Russia) both utilize Arena-M APS in real life—and in War Thunder, these systems are already modelled and functional.
• Allowing Trophy on the SEP V2 would bring the U.S. tree into parity with other nations’ modern tanks and uphold historical accuracy.

SEP V3 (M1A2C) vs. SEP V2
• The long-term Abrams upgrade path (SEP V3) is slated to carry Trophy as a factory-fit system.
• However, SEP V3 is not yet in War Thunder’s service period or release schedule.
• A retrofit option on the existing SEP V2 would bridge this gap, reflecting real-world staging of Trophy installation.

Gameplay Balance & Historical Accuracy
• Optional Upgrade: Trophy could be unlocked as a late-Tier modification, protecting against ATGMs and rockets without granting invulnerability.
• Parity: U.S. players deserve access to the same APS technology already available to Russian and Israeli MBTs.
• Realism: Multiple authoritative reports confirm SEP V2 testing and limited field use of Trophy—omitting it breaks immersion.

Why It Should Be Added
• Fairness: Balances the U.S. tank tree by matching other nations’ APS-equipped MBTs.
• Authenticity: Reflects documented U.S. Army trials and procurement for Trophy on SEP V2.
• Continuity: Serves as a logical interim before the eventual arrival of SEP V3 in-game.

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Sources
• 2019 DOT&E “Active Protection Systems (APS)” report (Fort Bliss Trophy trials):
https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2019/army/2019aps.pdf
• 2020 DOT&E “Abrams M1A2 System Enhancement Packages” report (SEP V2 Trophy tests):
https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2020/army/2020abrams-m1a2.pdf
• Inside Defense: General Dynamics Land Systems contract for Trophy APS kits on Abrams:

• Army Recognition: “Rafael Trophy APS equipped on Merkava Mk 4M tank”:
https://www.armyrecognition.com/february_2021_global_security_defense_news_industry_analysis_report/rafael_trophy_aps_equipped_merkava_mk4m_tank.html
• Wikipedia – Trophy (countermeasure):

• Wikipedia – Arena (countermeasure):

All listed sources are publicly accessible for further verification.
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Contrary to popular beliefs these pictures are not of the sep v3 and are only of the sep v2

Please let me know what you think about this

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Trophy still doesn’t work and they don’t plan to fix it

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Man these AI posts are painful to read.

Trophy is straight up non functional on Merkava / Namer, and has been for many months now. They should probably fix that before we consider adding it to yet more stuff in a broken state.

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No.

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They’re working on a fix as we speak. Bug fixing complicated bugs can take significant time.

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Still doesn’t change the fact that the Abrams needs it, and the SEPV2 should’ve came with it as a change considering every Abrams is simply a copy pasted tank with no improvements whatsoever.

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Is it possible to make a bug report on this and hope that they will add it?

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An explanation would be nice

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???

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US main intelligence…

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It’s kinda true tho could you tell me what upgrades the sep v2 has from it’s predecessor except better thermals and era package that does nothing

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The reason its different from the predecessor? It’s a bit like the Challenger 2H and TES, They’re barely different but someone may want the TES, just as someone might want the V2 over the normal SEP

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For 7 months? Lmao

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Yes i know i personally have the sep v2 spaded and i love it but i feel like it should at least have something more, something missing on it.

I know they won’t add the sep v3 at least this year as it has the very advanced m829A3/A4 and XM1147 AMP (with programmable modes)
Thats why i want them to add something that already exists in real life and wouldn’t really change the game. They could really give us US mains some love

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Britain and italy need the love. Not the USA

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Yes you are correct i think all three of them needs love tho

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US tanks are among the best at top tier, in my opinion only inferior to the germans, swedes and about on par with the russians. The Merkavas aren’t great, the Challenger series are literally the worst tanks at top tier, and italy at least has the 2A7HU, but at least the arietes make decent glass cannons. My issue is mostly with the AA, britain have a worse ADATS, and italy have the OTOMATIC. They just don’t cut it at top tier.

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Opinion varies from each person but I respect your opinion
The worst thing is the usa top tier teams with only clickbaits (can’t say anything more cause i have it) but the worst part is that they die and then leave causing the enemy team to spawn camp you 3 minutes into the game

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Really should have been SEP v2+Trophy from the start. It would still be an overweight SEP but it would have brought something unique for US.

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The RP bug took years to find the cause of and fix.
Complicated issues require a lot of labor.
Some bugs are quick to find and fix, others are not.
Game development basics.