On the grounds that the Tornado MFG can, I cant think of any reason why the Italian Tornados couldnt.
Its more than likely that Italy just always ran fuel tanks or clean wings. Those wing pylons actually being used for weapons is incredibly rare for all nations.
So can be done and was done are 2 potentially different things and given the AS-34s and Sea Eagles being mounted on those pylons, I dont see why they would limit the italian tornados differently, especially as its the wing pylons that would be the more useful place to mount them in WT.
Fixed in 2.51.0.8, now we can finally play sim in the A-200C and feel immersive. Feels a lot more powerful now that you can actually see the flares from the cockpit (when wings are fully open)
Hopefully when they eventually let the rest of the Italian and German Tornados (and the German F-104G) carry the AS.34 it will have a limited ability to hit GPS target points. Would be a fun way to use the IDS, especially seeing as at 10.0 GRB you get only dumb bombs currently and only GBU’s (no IOG) on the 11.3 MLU… against things with Mavs, Kh-39, etc…
first two have been accepted (probably need to remind devs because they likely already forgot)
I just reported the SCALP-EG so that needs to be upvoted, im going to make on for GR.4 soon
I also have been doing research on the Italian RWRs.
It seems that they were upgraded to RWR-90 in 1990 in preparation for operation locusta. I cant find any information on this other than it happened and it expanded the threat library to more types.
From here it gets hard to understand and it is possible that the ELT/750 was added as part of the MLU upgrades or what. I found a report from 2003 about the ECR variant which said the Italian version had a seperate elettronica made RWR from the German version, so this could be the ELT/750 or possibly the RWR-90 (though I dont know its manufacture)
Additionally the MLU upgrades saw the Elt/553 mk3i (or AR/3). Some places call this the RWR and some call it just the ESM. From what elettronica brochure i saw it says that it was an upgrade for the elt/553 mk2 (obviously) which was added in the 1990 in preparation for op locusta. It the brochure says that the AR-3 / Mk3i system was to upgrade the ESM and RWE warning reciever. Possibly the upgraded RWR in the Elt/553 mk3i is just the elt/750
So from the beginning it could be RWE → RWR-90 → ELT/750? / AR-3 mk2? / AR-3C?
Just thinking now, with nuclear thunder becoming a permanent game mode they really ought to add the Kormoran to the IDS finally like we have been asking for years lol
they finally have for every german and italian tornado, with the early IDSs (the ids and premium german ids) and the ASSTA, 1995, and the MLUs with the kormoran 2
This is much much better than I was expecting. italy didnt even operate the Kormoran 2 so this is definitely a win. Ill mark it as fixed when the update comes out because they could always ragebait us on the dev
yeah i was surprised about the kormoran 2 as well, but im happy about it, i was so annoyed that italy had no anti ship missiles, still hoping for the marte to be added (altho the tornado never carried that)
44M Zrinyi I — the thickness of the lower glacis plates has been increased from 15 mm + 35 mm to 25 mm + 50 mm to to match the Zrinyi II. (Report).
MiG-23M,MiG-23ML,MiG-23MLA (Germany),MiG-23MLD,MiG-23MF (Germany), MiG-23MF (Italy) — 250 kg and 500 kg assault bombs have been added. The maximum number of simultaneously used ZB-500 and FAB-500 bombs has been increased. The simultaneous use of under-fuselage armament and external fuel tanks has been limited. Sources: Инструкция летчику самолета МиГ-23П. Часть 1. Летная эксплуатация.
P-47D-25, P-47D-27 (USSR), P-47D-28, P-47D-30 (China), P-47D-30 (Italy), P-47M-1-RE (all variants) — the ability to mount a 1000 lb bomb on the central pylon has been added. Sources: Basic Weight Check List and Loading Data for the P-47 Series Airplanes; Model Specification - P-47D.
Yeah I read those and I would be fine if Italy got only fixes and historical changes, but this is microscopic to the amount of changs we would need to justify no new vehicles
With the recent introduction of cluster munitions in War Thunder, I think it’s worth revisiting the weapon options available to the Italian Tornado IDS.
Besides the British BL-755, the Italian Tornado also had access to the American Mk 20 Rockeye II, acquired around the Gulf War period. Then there are other interesting systems worth considering, such as the German MW-1 dispenser and the Italian-developed Alenia Skyshark.
Of course, we’re mainly talking about the earlier Tornado IDS configurations, before cluster munitions were progressively phased out following international bans.
Personally, I’d especially love to see the Alenia Skyshark implemented. It would be a unique and particularly interesting addition to the Italian tech tree, especially now that cluster munitions have finally made their way into the game.
I know the sky shark is already a forum suggestion, but I’ll report that too as I think it’s probably the most valuable and unique for our Tornados (I will report for AMX too when I have time)
I have photos and proof of MW-1 for Italy but I haven’t seen anything for BL755 yet
Gaijin can be a bit sketchy about international trade show static displays like the last one, but there’s plenty of evidence that Italy operated BL755 on other aircraft and they display it with Tornado at their squadron/base open days, and that every other Tornado operator used BL755 on them
I have a photo of the P.09 at hand, taken during weapons certification trials. I’ll soon send you some photos of operational Tornado IDS aircraft carrying both BL-755s and the American Mk 20 Rockeyes used during the Gulf War. the use was terminated on 1st august 2011.
P.S. I see you got the pictures you needed. Great!
BTW, the BL-755 was also a standard weapon in the Italian Air Force (ITAF), and the G.91Y could carry it as well. I’m not sure if there’s already a dedicated post about this.
