F4E can take 6 mavs and 2 HOBO at the same time. It also had great flight performance and a2a capability. It is 11.3 in air and ground.
Now look at tornado gr.1 which is worse in pretty much everyday. It is 11.7. The extra FnF capability does not justify the weaker engines, it just allows for it to be a not total shi bus. Additionally in GRB you can in theory get more kills with the LGBs or at least the same amount. So it’s not really going to make you that better except for killing AA.
Also no clue why you are trying to bring PGMs into ARB, use bombs or just use nothing and go for a2a combat (what I do)
If X > Y, X should be a higher BR, this can be achieved by raising X or by lowering Y.
now if you want to say that as they currently stand all of the guided ordinance torandos should be a lower BR in general that is another topic entirely and i’d argee that across the board they could be a lower BR.
there is no point in bringing the F-4s into the conversation at all.
if you want to argue the tornados as a whole should get a lower BR or the F-4 should get a high BR that is a different discusion alltogethere and on the whole i agree that the guided ordinance tornado IDSs have too high of a BR in general.
if X > Y than X should be a higher BR compared to X, this could be achieved by raising X or lowering Y, either one will work.
Bringing PGMs to ARB allows for some free points on the way to a bombing point as in my experience it is unlikely to get a second base and being guarenteed those extra points is very nice.
Tornados already suck with acceleration and speed bleed under heavy load. PGMs aren’t even that good as they can easily be shot down by AA since they are so slow.
Im trying your “2x PGM-2000 + 8x Mk13 insanely OP loadout that means the GR1 must be artificially nerfed” loadout and its horrible
You get 1x AI kill per PGM-2000 which I could have gotten with a Mk13 or Mk83 bomb. You are so slow and heavy that there are no bases left and you are an easy free kill for the entire enemy team because you are totally isolated from your team because you are so slow
Just did a match. Just got killed by 2x F-4s before I had even fired a single PGM because I was barely past our base line by the time their ENTIRE team rushed to our bases.
For this loadout to be “OP” we’d need EJ200s on the Tornado GR1
I honestly fly it like that as well with 2PGMs 2000s and a belly of 1000s
Use the PGMs on clusters of enemies like pillboxes or one other maps like the mysterious valley map aim for the MLRS cluster and you will kill them all with one PGM
Then i just base bomb or get remaining AIs with the 1000s
That is the exact strategy i used to grind the EFT
Fly far left and swing towards the left hand bases, if they are destroyed go behind hte enemy team to the right hand bases and then go into the furball
with the ultra heavy bomb load im usually shot down within the first few minutes before i’ve barely crossed half the map
Sigh.
I never called it an OP load out.
I called it a loadout that allows me to score more points then i do with my IDS ASSTA consistently.
the math to me remains the same.
Tornado+101+LGB+FnF=Tornado+103+LGB
Tornado+103+LGB+FnF>Tornado+103+LGB
if X > Y than X should be a higher BR compared to X, this could be achieved by raising X or lowering Y, either one will work.
Tornado+101+LGB+FnF=Tornado+103+LGB
Tornado+103+LGB+FnF>Tornado+103+LGB
This is to say, if the GR.1 retains the mk 101 engines it should remain the same BR as the LGB tornados that don’t get FnF capability.
If it does get Mk103 engines it becomes a flat upgrade over the LGB Tornados without FnF capability and thus it should be a different BR if that were to happen.
its not an “and” situation, it is an “or” situation.
In my opinion the FnF capability makes up for the lesser engine power.
Yeah. Again 1x AI kill per PGM-2000, and then shot down before any bases had respawned to use the bombs on and surrounded by 7 enemy players before I could attack any ground targets.
And if it keeps Mk101 engines its weaker than the Tornados at 11.3 without any guided weapons and should be 11.3 at a lower BR than the Mk103 Tornados like the MLU that have Mk103 and a large pool of FnF weapons
it is not weaker then the 11.3 tornados because it gets guided ordinance.
the MLU’s “FnF” weaponry is 8 SDBs, those are GPS guided and unpowered, they don’t correct after launch and their teeny tiny warhead makes them barely sufficient for any target.
to me the PGMs absolutly make up for the lesser engine power compared to the other LGB tornados.
Being able to kill 2x AI tanks is hardly worth even mentioning in ARB (just did another match. DH on the pillbox, only killed the pillbox)
Which is 6 more AI kills than you can get with the PGM-2000s
and in my opinion having the Mk103 engines makes absolutely no difference at all and the Tornado IDS will be over BRed base bombers than probably should be lower than 11.3 but cant due to compression. The ability to get 2x AI kills with “FnF Weapons” is hardly worth even mentioning
and this is just ARB. In ASB its even less relevant
Im just going to stick with not playing the GR1 at all, because 11.7 + Mk101 engines just sucks and keep running 5x Mk13s on the GR4 until Brimstones are added. Then I might start running a few of those on the wing pylons
