add alarm and better engines
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This is exactly the same issue affecting the Italian Tornado IDS line.
If the Tornado Ret.8 can receive 4x AGM-88C at BR 11.7, then ARM capability itself clearly cannot be considered a balance issue at this level.
Italian Tornado IDS aircraft from Ret.3 standard — and even earlier through the IDS-HARM configuration — were also able to use AGM-88 HARM. Italy operated the AGM-88B and later the AGM-88E, while the AGM-88C is already present in game.
So, if the Ret.8 already receives AGM-88C, there should be no real reason to keep the Italian Tornado IDS variants without any SEAD capability.
The same restrictive approach also affects anti-ship missiles: Italian Tornado IDS variants still do not receive Kormoran, apparently because it remains reserved only for the old German Navy event Tornado.
At this point, the Italian strike aircraft line is suffering from the same artificial loadout restrictions discussed here, despite having historically valid options available.
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Gr1 can only be used at 11.7 in GRB due to lineups and if it’s used at 11.7 it will see 12.0 more often than not and what lives at 12.0? That’s right pantsir, can’t give us a way to deal with that now can they?
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Yeah, the idea that it needs to be kept at 11.3 so that it can be used alongside…
Checks notes
The 10.7 lineup
Is really stupid
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Might be wrong, but can’t buccaneer get AS-37?
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Yes
French Jagaurs also used it I beleive, so technical compatibility might also mean Jaguar GR1A?
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The french Jaguars, Mirage III E can use it, the Mirage F1 were modified by the Iraqui to carry them but not the french variant.
But all of these planes used the basic AS-37 variant, in game we currently have the ARMAT variant witch is an upgrade of this first missile
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I need this, I need those 2S6 players specifically to be clapped by this. I’m happy its on the GR.4 but I do not have a 12.0 Lineup and pretty much no desire to get one at all right now. Not with that new Pantsir out.
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Pantsir should be pretty comfortably slapped with alarm. Buk on the other hand.
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ALARM’s are also currently broken in the weirdset way, they need a radar lock to fire without the GR4 having a ground radar in game and it just isnt accurate. If you lock a plane with acm and fire an alarm at it, which shouldn’t be able to happen, it will act as a fox 1/3.
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Not to mention even assuming the tornado did have a ground radar, they only model ground radar being able to see moving targets (which is an issue for another day). Meaning you could not engage a static air defence position.
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could they not just copy paste the harm for now to fix it. i would like to see them add the full stand off of the alarm but i can hope it will come in time
They could have done many things to make tornado armament useful. Sound design decisions chase them constantly, yet they are ever faster.
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Buff the Tornados please, my GR1 with 3/4 pgm 500 should not be allowed against the Sm/Sv
Not the Pantsir SM SFV.
that thing will slap EVERY HARM Missile thrown at it because it can shoot down an entire Apache Rocket salvo.
They are reskinned AMRAAMs at the moment so WIP
Gaijin and the non british mains are just scared of us tbh. That why they nerf british and other NATO stuff into the ground.
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Im hoping it means they make ALARM actually good and trying to get the loiter mode to work which is why they arent a reskinned AGM-88… but that is probably just hopium
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You are so cute and I hope all your dreams come true
(ALARMS will remain broken and only on GR.3)