15.0 for Air and Ground like what? Demonstrator vehicles?
Honestly imo the current top tier should be moved to ~15.0. that would decompress so much and allow a lot of lower tiers more room to breathe
they need to add the buk sam, is self propeled and has a radar
That’s called Decompression.
Russia seriously doesn’t need more top tier SPAA. They already have the top 3 best toptier SPAA in all of Warthunder.
LOL! No they don’t.
All ten tech trees need new SPAA.
You have to be a CAS main that wants to remain unkillable.
There’s no other reason to oppose better SPAA.
I sure do love fighting panstsirs with no guided munitions or countermeasures. Very fun and balanced experience.
Then don’t bring such aircraft into 11.7?
Or just move Panstir to where it actually fights it’s equals. Russia seriously doesn’t need new SPAA with how stupidly undertierd strela, 2S6, and especially Pantsir are
That would be moving Pantsir to 11.3, where its equals in CAS are.
2S6 and Rolands are fine at their BRs.
Strela is useless, which is the reason why I’ll never intentionally research it.
The only way Pantsir goes up is if ALL CAS from 11.0 onward go up with it along with ITO-90M and TOR-M1 at the least.
It equals are 13.0 lol. 10.3s can do nothing about a Panstir. Also it’s literally impossible to stop a strela locking onto you. You can’t use countermeasures, or clouds, or terrain, or the sun.
yeah idk about this one
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LOL! 13.0 CAS out-ranges Pantsir by at least 5km.
10.3s aren’t facing Pantsir period, Pantsir is 11.7, not 10.3 as you imply.
The one time any fragged me was cause I intentionally brought an under-BR’d plane and got close, that was when it was 9.3.
They needa actually get out of the Pantsir’s range first.
Dude you were saying Panstir should be 11.3
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The TOR-M1 should have been added instead of the shitfest that is the pantsir, I guess they could move the pantsir up in the future with higher BR tanks, and place the TOR where the pantsir currently is? No other way to avoid it being DOA.
Never once said it should be 11.3; I stated it’s fine where it is, and ALL ten tech trees need SPAA better than Pantsir.
And I said some of its equals, which includes Tornado IDS which out-ranges Pantsir as well, is at 11.3.
Pantsir’s range is ~13km against jet targets, ~18km against drones and helicopters.
They’d have to give it better missiles.
It already has the most OP missiles of any SPAA in wt, literally able to destroy planes from where they spawn.
The exclusive time I’ve died to Pantsir I flew into it like a drone.
Hundreds of Pantsir missiles have been launched on me, zero have hit outside that drone experience.
@Alexanderussss
Weird of you to claim USA and all Americans are Russian propaganda.
Calm down with the xenophobia against Americans.
is this not the case for any IR spaa though? I compare the strela to other IR spaa’s, and I cannot name any situation where another IR spaa’s missiles would’ve performed better than the strela
Well Strela does have photocontrast mode for higher altitude targets, which does extend its range beyond that of Stingers.
Which is why I find it superior to Stingers and Iglas personally.
However, pre-flaring stops photocontrast from working, and at 10.3 you’re out of the range of its missiles by 1 - 5km depending on the aircraft.
Even some 9.7s are out of its range [Ayit and Hunter].