Kléber is a captured 1936A iirc.
I don’t remember which specific zerstörer.
Sowjetskaja Ukraina, Old German press photo from Nikolajew Shipyard. Under German rule the construction was continued and at the end it looks even more complete than Soyuz.
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thx but arkhangelsk and novorossiysk were both lented to soviet i think so its fair, but giving germany a ship that was unfinished ??? they didnt have the blueprints i assume so finishing it wouldve been impossible
Let’s not forget KMS Lützow, aka Tallinn, can show up in the russian tree.
ok you just proved me wrong
Germany has the most unfinished ships in the bluewater tree.
Yeah germany has what feels like 20 unfinished aircraft carrier conversions and all the Z plan stuff
ik but still, giving any nation a capital battleship that they didnt make themselves in their own port or lent to them seems wrong to me
I mean the port at that time was owned by germany I mean like iterally have to get into the hairs like is who who owned the guns of the ship like the Guns they put on their battleships were suppsoed to be german guns which they never recieved nor were built in enough quanities right so how how does suyuz get like its full complement of 406mm guns
Like would you say uboats built by germany in french drydocks shouldnt go to germany?
if they made the blueprints for them then sure go to germany
but the port is french you jsut said becuase it isnt their own port
if they make the blueprints they can have the ship idc about the port
One article mentioned they progressed as far as 75% to launch it (doesn’t mean total completion, just almost ready to launch the hulk). They probably wanted to get it to the water to tow it off to Romanian port or something. Either way, from all aborted capital ship projects on soviet soil, the Ukraina was likely the most progressed one.
German Wiki has some infos. The propulsion system and powerplant was supposed to come from Switzerland anyways, so Ger just took over this order. The main armament was supposed to be the German 406mm from H-class. In 1943 the German Ukraina project was cancelled, cause of the new focus on U-Boats. Also all capital ship projects in Germany got cancelled.
Turbinenantriebsanlage der Schweizer Firma BBC ausgestattet werden sollte, war ein Auftrag der Kriegsmarine an das Schweizer Unternehmen für die Antriebsanlage des Schiffes möglich,
→ Since it was to be equipped with a license-built turbine propulsion system from the Swiss company BBC, the German Navy could have placed an order with the Swiss company for the ship’s propulsion system.
und die von sowjetischer Seite vorgesehene Hauptbewaffnung mit 40,6-cm-Geschützen entsprach genau dem Geschütztyp, der für die deutschen Schlachtschiffe der H-Klasse vorgesehen war und sich in Deutschland in Fertigung befand. Die Baupläne für diese Geschütze hatte die Sowjetunion 1940 von Deutschland erwerben wollen, deren Verkauf war aber von Adolf Hitler abgelehnt worden.
→ Furthermore, the Soviet-specified main armament of 40.6 cm guns corresponded exactly to the type of gun intended for the German H-class battleships, which was already under construction in Germany. The Soviet Union had attempted to acquire the blueprints for these guns from Germany in 1940, but Adolf Hitler had refused to sell them.
Januar 1943, alle großen Überwassereinheiten außer Dienst zu stellen, und der daraufhin erfolgten Einstellung aller Bauarbeiten an Großschiffen selbst auf deutschen Werften höchst zweifelhaft.
→ however, this is highly doubtful in light of Hitler’s order of January 26, 1943, to decommission all large surface vessels, and the subsequent cessation of all construction work on large ships, even in German shipyards.
So, when did German navy ‘could’ have placed changed to ‘Ger just took over this order’?
And itt seems Krigesmarine itself never consider H class’ 16’’ gun on Project 23
Finally, even German wiki itself denied the possibility of Germany building Project 23
Why you’re distorting even Wikipedia, which is unreliable source, to make your lie look like truth?
Could be mistranslation.
I doubt Germany would want anything to do with Ukraina aside from get it out of the construction yard.
Now, assuming all capital ship projects weren’t cancelled, I still sort of doubt Germany would have had interest although them using captured vehicles wasn’t exactly unheard of.
The German wording is more ambiguous than the translation you’ve provided.
They’ve denied The Soviets the use of those guns, which doesn’t rule out their eventual use under German auspices per se.
Which is what Thodin said as well.
You’re being needlessly aggressive in your distortive assertions about Thodin’s post.
There is a photo series from Walther Hollnagel, a German Reichsbahn official (German Imperial Railway). He toured Europe and made railway related photo reports. He also visited the Nikolajev shipyard and made photos of railway related assets. Supposedly after this low intensity contruction project was halted. The photos are dated with April/May 1943. After Germany cancelled all capital ship projects and even decomissioned some ships. It seems he evaluated the railway ressources freed as all work on this vast area ceased.
Mr Hollnagel visiting Nikolajev shipyard.
The Ukraina. Cancelled.
Mr Hollnagel climbed the hulk and photographed the contruction site. It looks like work stopped in an instant and everyone left. His emphasis were ofc the now freed railway assets.
He also climbed a crane… From what I see here, I beleve all those accounts who claim a low intensity construction effort to launch her - were in fact true. Maybe just cause of her material value? To be broken up in a friendly port? Who knows… Otherwise the site wouldn’t look as if the workers just left there short time ago. With all the material and transportation means left behind. It would all have been extracted years earlier and used elsewhere. Espcially the locomotives which suit the soviet track gauge…these were always short. They wouldn’t have been there, if the area would have been deserted since 1941. It really looks like something was indeed going on there 1941 to 1943.
That guy with that hieroglyphs as name should check his German translator.
Those cranes are all exist when Soviets have Nikolayev.
Actually, your photo proves that Germany was not interested on finishing Project 23, but rather focusing on dismantling it, especially when compared to German recnaissance aircraft took picture of Sovetskaya Ukraine on 1941 as outer part of hull were dismantled
