Today's changes to ToS: Bans on AI training, account sharing and "review bombing" added

If you are going to crack down on account sharing then you should make your only competitive game mode not completely dependent on it to move up in the top 50. Squadron battles needs more attention and you know it. and you continue to ignore it.

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Does this mean that like 90% of the SA server air sim community is going to get a temp ban since they all have an unspoken agreement to only do PvE?

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Isn’t it up to the player to just choose not to go after players and just go after bots? It’s not against the rules to ignore the enemy, Against the rules is when some people try to make a game PVE against the will of other people

Sure, maybe.

But if the standard is everyone only doing PvE and leaving when someone tries PvP, i feel like it is collusion to a certain degree.

At least i can still report them doing their team up to find and target me as punishment when they decide to go that route. I know that it 100% against ToS.

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That’s toxic and I agree with you

You can’t stop a person leaving a game of air Sim

Correct. But i would still argue that it is collusion to some degree. I highly doubt everyone just so happened to decide to leave at around the same time and just so happened to all do it once someone does PvP.

I dont think they have to put their whole plan in chat for it to be punishable.

This is a well know thing during events where everyone does PvE in air sim and naval rb on the SA server. Anytime you do PvP, players are surprised/angry.

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Well, firstly, don’t name and shame.

Secondly, if you think someone is breaking the rules then create a report for it.

There is nothing new in the ToS for alt accounts, it’s always been prohibited.

The point of this conversation is not arguing about who has how many alts or throwing rocks at eachother, it’s to figure out what’s gonna change with this TOS update and how things will work going forward because this change can singlehandedly murder an entire gamemode that simply does not have enough players otherwise and how it’ll impact all of us as a community

Edit: As mentioned before by Kaizo1911 there have been attempts on improving squadron battles as a gamemode but they were futile largely due to lack of communication. In its current state this gamemode can’t sustain itself with only active players simply because it’s not encouraging enough for players that haven’t participated in it before and without an active flow of new faces it will die off ( not like it’s very alive as is ) so alt accounts in squadron battles helped keep the activity up and drive the competition but without them we’ll see a lot of squadrons disbanding and merging into a dozen or 2 of squadrons that’ll play for the first 2 weeks and then stop playing for the other 1.5 months.

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Explicitly agreeing to PvE and/or forcing others to not do PvP has always been against the rules. It’s just been clarified a bit.

That would be near impossible to moderate though, you don’t know their reason for leaving unless they explicitly state it and you can’t force someone to play a certain way in either direction, you can’t force a player to go for enemy players (as long as they still contribute to their team in other ways and aren’t just “afk” flying) in the same way that you can’t force a player to avoid going for enemy players.

That however is an indicator of collusion and should be reported.

Wait which Tos update? alt accounts have always been prohibited.

Yeah, that is the tough part. Just means i have to play on the NA server if i want to do PvP and get more than like 1-2 kills before everyone leaves.

Nothing ever happens

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I agree that naming and shaming is unproductive and distracts from the core conversation. I also believe that Nikel is doing exactly that a few messages above; perhaps that’s why people are having this reaction.

As such, it would be nice to see both cases treated equally.

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I don’t handle forum moderation, i can only flag posts for the Forum Moderators to handle so if you have any questions about that you would want contact the Forum Moderators through a private message.

Though i will admit that i actually missed that part of their message and have now flagged it to get looked at, thx for pointing it out. Flagging is done by the community, anyone can flag any message for any reason, it’s then up to the Forum Moderators to look at the flag and approve/deny the flag and issue moderator actions as needed. (info on forum flags here: Forum Flagging System Explanation )

If you see a post that breaks the rules on the forum then please flag it, read my previous post for more info.

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I think you can negative review but if lots of people negative review its not allowed? i dont know

From my reading and the posts from Stona.

  • Leaving a negative review. Fine. You are legally allowed to do this and if any company tries to penalise you for leaving an honest review (positive or negative) then that’s a legal no-no.

  • Using a Gaijin service (such as the forum, chat) to tell others to leave a negative review. Under TOS that would appear to be verboten depending on how touchy the mods are on that particular day.

Quite frankly anything beyond that is unenforceable. They cannot go after you for anything you put on the internet broadly such as Reddit, Youtube, other Forums, etc.

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That never stopped Nintendo or Bethesda, don’t put it past the snail to try it.

So i have a question about this section "section 3.5 (Ban on Account Sharing). An explicit line against account-sharing has been added: “Each Account is personal to the User and may not be shared with or used by any other person.” does this also mean that if i live in a different country but move to another country for vacation or even inside my own country would that be also risking a potential ban from the game or not

I don’t think so. If you go on vacation to tim buck too and played the game, your still playing on “YOUR” account. Account sharing is where you play on an account you didn’t personally make yourself like what phlydaily did a few years back where he played on the Chinese version of the game by playing on someone else’s account from China.

The only thing I could see you having a problem with is if you move to a country that gets better prices on the store and buy stuff there when your country changes and then you move back to you original country and wait for their systems to update back to the original country.