Oh yes, Czechoslovakia, the greatest member of the Axis powers during WW2 that surely makes sense being added to Italy. Only vehicle that’d make sense being added to Italy is Škoda T-21 that was tested by them, that is the only Czechoslovak vehicle Italy could get besides bunch of Pz.Kpfw 38(t)'s
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I think this is the first time I’ve heard such a suggestion for where Poland and Czechoslovakia should go.
Without addressing the elephant in the room, Czechoslovakia and thier successors alone could outnumber the USSR ground tree with 10 copy paste vehicles as outlined by Tadmats suggestion. So cramming in all those+ Polish vehicles into a tree with 5 lines, Romania and Hungary (both also
missing several of its unique vehicles in all fairness) would be a waste.
If Italy were to get a third subtree, I’d say Spain would be the best option.
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You only add unique vehicles from those nations, C&P should only be used when no domestic option exists.
And as the suggestion shows, there is barely any and that’s not having a single Polish vehicle. Hence it’s more valuable as a joint or sperate trees.
I agree with your statement though.
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I’m not against a Visegrad tree, I did say it’s a great idea.
My only concern is what are you going to do with Hungry? Are we going to remove all the Hungarian vehicles from the Italian tree and move them to the Visegrad tree once added?
The only reason I say make Visegrad a sub-tree is because low tiers could be represented as Axis minors, then after WW2 the tree turns into Visegrad. Italy was the 3rd major member of the tripartite. It also means we can avoid mixing Allied and Axis armour (even more than already exists in the Italian tree).
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Well V4 is dead as a concept since Sons of Atila so the next best thing is a Czechoslovakia and Polish tree while Hungary in Italy gets fleshed out.
Unfortunately it is what it is.
Let’s hope the Hungarian low tier air comes soon™
WW2 Polish stuff “could” be added to the British tree, not saying it should, but it’s possible. As the Free Polish fought with the British under British command. As seen by all the British vehicles above in the first image and the Polish Firefly in-game. Then you could have post-war Polish vehicles in a new tree, or an Italian V4 tree. Might be frustrating for Polish players to grind two trees in order to play their vehicles though.
I can understand that but do also keep in mind the UK also has India and South Africa as official subtrees and New Zealand, Australia and Canada as repeat guests in addition to one offs like Ireland and Kuwait on top of UK stuff so it might be hard to fit much.
Only time will tell, which probably will be ages away as the closest sign we have currently to any of the remaining V4 trees is confirmation the Czechoslovakia wouldn’t be a USSR tree.
Now, I haven’t seen a proposal to abolish the trees but if anyone could make a suggestion/hj.
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Eww, I’d hate to see Czechoslovakia as a USSR sub-tree.
Also, I think OP is missing the Polish A30’s.
I made a suggestion for one. There’s potentially 3 separate variants that could be added to. The Polish used all of them.
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That would be nice, fully in favour of any of the variants (priority to those not in-game)
Same, have you seen the Czech F-35 for USSR thread? Genuinely stunned me that one.
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Unfortunately they prioritize copypaste for non popular nations (“minor”), making new models for such nations brings them way less money compared to models for major nations, that’s why most of new content for Italy for example consists of vehicles which other nations can also get (with only exception of naval where devs add them for abusing 😆). For subtrees it’s even worse, even if they add a unique vehicle, about 80% of time it comes as a premium or event. Hell they’ve even made Tigris a premium, leaving Italian TT without a regular heavy tank, now the only option would be IS-2 tanks used postwar or 44M TAS, but it would be a miracle.
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Oh I completely agree. They should be adding unique vehicles and only copy-pasting when nothing fits.
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I’ve done a lot of thinking about this and looked at what Gaijin did in the past, it would most likely go that the Hungarian vehicles a person purchased get hidden in the Italian tech tree and become unavailable for research (meaning they would become rare). And then re-paste them into Visegrád group. Romania could definitely fill in a couple gaps better that Hungary could in the Italian tech tree but the only problem is that they don’t have their Abrams yet, so no better top tier MBT for a while
Your kind of just over complicating it
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Poland in WW2 is a very hard situation and to be honest the only solution in my opinion is an independent subtree or maybe something with Czechoslovak.
The problem is that there were 3 different (primary) military groups in Poland.
- The Polish army (self explanatory, this is the legal continuation of the II RP that fled to France and then Britain.)
Whilst they technically fought under British command, they also technically didn’t. It’s complicated because of all the countries in the allied forces, and in reality it was a mix of Allied command and Polish command.
They pledged allegiance to both the King and Polish state, and were the legal armed forces of the Polish 2nd republic in exile.
- Armia Krajowa
These were the guerilla fighters in Poland, but they were semi-professional and worked very closely with Polish forces in the West and more importantly allied forces.
They were under legal command of the 2nd republic in exile, but it’s very complicated because Armia Krajowa wasn’t just one unified group, it was made of many different fighting forces. Some were a continuation of professional military, and most were guerilla infantry.
- Armia Ludowa
This was the communist puppet army Russia made. It was actually generally led by Russian officers and stuff like that, no surprise.
Though they did play a major role in Eastern front and were in many famous battles. They and USSR were the two forces against Germany in the battle of Berlin.
This became the legal army in like 1947 or something as Poland became a communist state. 1947 was also when 2nd republic forces in Britain were disbanded, although a lot of the soldiers stayed in British, Canadian, or US armies as they literally couldn’t go back to Poland.
In game this would look like a much larger Chinese TT from rank 2-4, although would be a lot more British/American equipment instead of Russian. Rank 5-6 would generally all be communist (at least in major vehicles). And then rank 6 and 7 would gradually transfer back into western equipment, native equipment, or communist equipment brought to NATO standard
Funnily, Poland has a kind of counterpart to the famous photo of USSR flag in battle of Berlin
Also the Iwo Jima flag photo? Yeah we got a bootleg of that also from the battle of Berlin
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Witam, Sziasztok and Ahoj! I’m new on the forum (signed in today despite playing WT since 2016, lol).
I don’t know much about the current status of the V4 group along with upcoming South and North Korea + Yugoslavia trees, but hopefully Gaijin approves and there will be an opportunity for a V4 tech tree in the future. I also haven’t read all of the 244 posts here, so I apologise if some of what I will write already exists in the chat.
Italy has more than enough modern AFVs to form a tech tree without the need for the Hungarian sub-tree, as there are quite a handful of Italian vehicles the devs haven’t added yet. When introduced, the Hungarian sub-tree could be relocated to the V4 tech tree.
There are a few more vehicles that could be added into the tree, if I may suggest. Some are unique, some are “unique” in the sense of modifications done to them, while others would be copy-pasted tanks that other (ex-) Warsaw-Pact states have used. These could be added as optionally researchable vehicles in the tech tree as drop-down menu style research tiles that we already have in WT:
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T-55AM2 - A Hungarian upgrade utilising - funnily enough - only foreign upgrades including the “Kladivo” FCS, Czech thermal sleeves, BDD add-on armour, etc. The original engine was retained. The tanks were in use until the early 2000s when they got withdrawn from service.
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T-72M Currus - An attempted Hungarian modernisation of existing T-72M1 tanks by a private company “Currus Ltd.” in 1999 with upgrades like an (at the time) advanced autoloader allowing an approx. 5 second reload with the autoloader capable of swinging in both directions, a more advanced FCS allowing better accuracy, laser warning receivers, automatic transmission, automatic gear shift mechanisms, neutral steering, slightly upgraded armour with ERA allowing a roughly 60-70% reduction of cumulative shaped charge penetration at the time.
Gameplay should be similar to most T-72 variants in the game at around RB BR 9.3-9.7, but with more comfortable driving characteristics, the benefit of the LWRS and the faster reload time.
Unfortunately the tank did not get into service due to financial problems, and Hungary’s decision of buying Leopard 2A4 MBTs rather than developing their own upgrades. There is unfortunately limited info on the tank, but it can be found online and also here on the WT forum. -
T-72M, T-72 Ural / Ural 1, T-72A, T-72AV - Hungary made 2 bulk purchases of T-72 tanks. The 1st delivery (1978-1990) includes approx. 100 T-72 Ural, 20-30 T-72M and 10-20 T-72M1 tanks, most of which have been sold or upgraded to the T-72M or T-72M1 standard.
The 2nd delivery (1996) was the post Cold-War acquisition from Belarus. Roughly 100 units of (only 4) T-72AV with (NATO codename) “Dolly Parton” armour and an unknown mixture (my research is not extensive yet) of T-72 Ural, T-72M and (likely very few) T-72A tanks.
As of 2026, there are 34-44 of exclusively T-72M1 tanks in service, some of the T-72A and all of the
T-72AVs have been put into storage. 77 T-72 tanks, primarily T-72M1 and T-72Ms have been sold to Iraq in 2005. 58 tanks (T-72A and T-72M) have been sold to the Czech Republic in 2014 to Excalibur Defence Ltd.
I’m aware that these are essentially copy-pasted tanks with only minor modifications (if any), so IF added, they should be optionally researchable with drop-down menu style tiles in my opinion. -
Rheinmetall KF-51 Panther - Rheinmetall’s 4th generation MBT, the development of which is being funded 51:49 by RHM and the Hungarian state. Hungary is planning to order 132 of the tanks with plans to eventually mount the 130mm main gun on the long run. Until then, it’s planned to use the already notorious 120mm Rh120 L/55A1, so we could potentially have both tanks in the game later on, when Rank IX will be added to the game.
As of 2026, Hungary will specifically use the KF-51’s version with the modified Bergepanzer 3 “Büffel” hull. No deliveries have been made yet. -
Honorable mentions:
PT-94 Goryl (by Z.M. Bumar Łabedy S.A.), it only got as far as a mock-up, sadly.
PT-17 (by Z.M. Bumar Łabedy S.A.), it also only got as far as a 1:1 size mock-up.
T-72M1-120 “Vitéz”, it is a completely fictional tank inspired by the Ukrainian T-84-120 “Yatagan” that was made by a user of the game “Sprocket”. I would assume that these will likely never be in the tech tree knowing Gaijin, but I wouldn’t mind any paper-tanks in the game, as long as they are made special and are not unbalanced.
That would be all for now. Dziękuję, Köszönöm, Děkuji and Ďakujem!
(P.S.: I won’t include the sources, as they are found very easily by just typing the tanks’ names into the browser.)
I do wonder if any of the subtrees will ever get independence ( I hope so, especially Switzerland). While nations going from being in another tree to its own isn’t unheard of, all the current examples were never confirmed as sub as far as I’m aware.
Well the V4 concept now is kind of dead, the dev’s aren’t eager at all of giving up Hungary, I looked into and there is no hope :(
Only United Korea has been confirmed, Yugoslavia hasn’t been confirmed, but apparentally United Korea isn’t the only nation planned and isnt guaranteed to be the next one.
Yes basically everything that you mentioned before has been mentioned above
For now, I’ve gone back to square one with helping on the Polish tech tree suggestion, but I’m currently looking into making a Polish-Czechoslovak tech tree, which would basically be the V4 but without Hungary sadly (There goes our unique heavy :( .)
Italy can be by its own, although currently it wouldn’t have a 2A7HU equivalent, there are plans for IMBT (KF51 derivative), but its arrival is far from soon.
Ariete armor buff still won’t make it top tier worth and C2 Ariete doesn’t have any protection upgrade. I can only imagine giving Italian top tier Shard APFSDS, so they shine in firepower at least.
Another issue would be a lack of a heavy tank, it can be fixed only with Hungary or maybe some reclassification (which is unlikely).
High tier Air would also have not that many options without Hungary and Romania.
So, Italy can be by its own, but would be probably way less filled compared to other nations, especially at higher tiers and if subtrees for other nations remain unchanged. Romania and Spain would help with most of issues (except heavy tanks), if other TTs wouldn’t claim them.
As for removing Hungary from Italy there are no such plans. It can be changed of course in the future, but I doubt especially considering that you would need to hide a huge part of the tree already.
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