The State of non-Russian Top tier SPAA is sad at this point

Why is it that 90% of the complaining always comes from usa players, with subpar skill at that

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At the lower tiers they have enough flight performance to do PvP, though.

Not all of the Bf 109s are stuck with 60 rounds per gun, the F-2 gets 200 rounds for its gun. The other planes mentioned have ammunition counts comparable to the US fighters (which fluctuate in the range of 200-400 rounds per gun).

The Russian planes are on the lower end of the 200-400 rounds per gun range, but usually not less than that.

Most German 4.0 - 6.0 fighters are stuck with a single 250/500kg bomb. Their strike aircraft can carry up to 3 250/500kg bombs.

Most USSR 4.0 - 6.0 fighters can carry 2x250kg bombs at best. Their strike aircraft aren’t much better either.

Some US fighters (such as 4.7 P47) can carry 3x500kg bombs while most others can carry 2x500kg.

It’s obvious that US fighters are outright better at multi-role than GER/USSR ones and they even have comparable loads with some strike aircraft. Long range bombers are another story though.

P-47 doesnt turn into some sort of manuverable fighter without a load, so youre just lying

It’s not just P47.
It’s better to have 2x500kg than a single 250kg (in case of Germany) or 2x250kg at best in case of USSR.
2x500kg isn’t a small load at that BR, even for strike aircraft.

So yeah, US has better multi-role props than USSR/GER.

Debatable. I still wouldnt consider them fighters imo.

Yeah, there is a bf109 with 33% capacity per gun. Still 1 vs 4-6 guns.

The yaks are usually maxed at 120 rounds for the 20mm. The 12.7s on the yaks has that much ammo. But as above, the US still has more guns and ammo along side them having sizavke bombs that the yaks dont have. The LAs are probably the closest to the US.

It does make a difference for you for the same reason it would make a difference to have Pantsirs on both teams instead of just one.
If your team was 100% Flanker you’d stand almost no chance. That’s what GRB is like.

I mean, american cas reflects irl capabilities, and at top tier russia has the best cas, reason why american anti air sucks is because stingers are nerfed into the ground and adats and roland are also nerfed for no good reason.

Stingers being nerfed doesn’t change the fact they’re good at the BRs they are: 9.3.
If they were as effective as they are in documents, they’d be 10.0+ same as Strela, not 12.0 capable.

ADATS’ missile range doesn’t change no matter what, and its maneuverability is correct.

Making claims about weapons that won’t change the balance of the top end CAS won’t change anything.
9.3 CAS isn’t OP because of Stingers, etc.
11.7+ CAS is OP because they outrange even Pantsir and have done so since 2022.

The issue with saclos missiles is that theyre uncontrollable. This is unrelated to the perfomance of the vehicles its just something gaijin did one day to fuck with every saclos missile in the game.

And as you know strela is usable even at top tier, if the stingers were fixed the lavad would be usable at top tier.

Also for the usa top we should get SL-AAMRAM humvee or truck

SACLOS missiles weren’t screwed, they stopped being OP. That’s it.
SACLOS missiles now act effectively correctly as they do IRL thanks to that 2023 overhaul.
Before they acted like Matrix bullets.

Strela is unusable at 12.0, nothing will ever get within its range.

Completely and utterly incorrect. Said “matrix bullet” behaviour was significantly more realistic compared to now. This isnt up to debate.

@Zannafrancy12
Well, you can claim the US military is wrong [one of my sources] all you want, you have no evidence to back up your claim and you know I know.

Your sources are wrong, the us military does not claim anything of the sort

Atgms were created to be easy to use amd effective against moving targets, domething which in ear thunder theyre useless against

Oh look at all those videos of missiles behaving as they do currently in War Thunder.
Why do you have an issue with ATGMs being maneuverable and easy to use in War Thunder currently?

Even the dip was fixed on all vehicles by the major update of F-15C MSIP II.

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This really doesn’t seem to matter, from what I remember of the lower BRs. If anything you kind of waste ammo shooting all of the MGs/cannons at once.

The 12.7mms are usually the cannons that have the most pen anyways, though.

It depends. I find that it helps since it gives you more chances for the rounds to pen and do damage. Of course it can lead to you doing more spraying because you feel like you have unlimited ammo.

Also helps when switching to attacking planes because of the increase in burst mass and fire chances.

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@Zannafrancy12 Oh would you look at that. No dips, and the maneuverability is slightly over-performing again.

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