You do realize guided weapons can move around, right?
Besides, you don’t target the Pantsir, they’re not a threat to other tanks, you target their team’s tanks, and ignore the SPAA entirely.
Pantsir range is 13 - 14km against jet CAS, which is lower than IR seekers and lasers.
And duh AGM-65D/G, KH-38, and PGM-500-2000/3 are all OP. All out-range Pantsir handedly, and laser GBUs themselves outrange Pantsir.
any weakness the pantisr has every other nation has to deal with but twice as bad, also going for other targets means getting close enough for a tracking lock putting the plane at risk, we all know cas can still kill any AA in the game the point is 1 has a chance and the others dont.
So nerf CAS and give everyone equal SPAA. Nerfing or removing the only decent SPAA is one of the worst thing we could do US/USSR are not the only top tier nation. Italy,France,Uk,… have nothing
incorrect ir seekers only have a tracking lock range of 13-14km vs larger targets like the big boxy AA, ir seekers will pretty much never track an mbt past 12km and most of the time the tacking on mtbs is closer to 10km, secondly your just kinda ignoring the speed gap here mavs and pgms are very slow at a distance and are kinda braindead to intercept and laser gbus can never outrange the pantsir since laser targeting cant go past 20km even if they did the bombs themself dont track till they get withing 4-6km of the map and are very slow and risky to use since you need to maintain lock.
almost no one is asking for the pantsir to be removed just for other nations to have things on par with it, in fact asking for equal SPAA is the entire point of the thread
Pantsir should disappear and SPAA should be reworked - Machinery of War Discussion / Ground Vehicle - War Thunder — official forum
Petition for remove or nerf pantsir s1 - Machinery of War Discussion / Ground Vehicle - War Thunder — official forum
Not to mention the usefulness of SPAA in general when no CAS or heli present but still , sorry , i assumed that cause everyone i have been talking to always concluded with nerfing the Pantsir or removing it. This whole “Non russia SPAA” problem could be solved easily just by nerfing CAS across the board, cause gaijin doesn’t seem to be adding any SPAA for the near future. Even tho everyone desperately needing it
you know the thing about those threads is the fact that there not this 1, so if you wanna go over their and say it shouldnt be removed im on your side here chief, but me nor the person you just replied to said it should be removed???
Speed isn’t anywhere close to a major factor, especially when launching at high altitude where you have high acceleration and gravity assist.
It’s hard to intercept highly vertical targets.
Pantsir’s range is 13 - 14km, 6km lower than 20, no risk with GBUs from my over a year using them with Pantsirs up.
Only reason I stopped maining CAS was cause Gaijin made an achievement which sucked any fun left out of it.
Also asking for SPAA equal to Pantsir will result in CAS remaining unkillable and OP.
The game needs at least SPYDER equivalent SPAA for all 10 tech trees.
That why Im sorry , my bad. I let my own assumption get a hold of me but still , I think this whole problem could be solved rather easily. Especially considering gaijin not doing any top tier SPAA this time around
speed is literally the most important factor, if your missile can get there in half the time thats a huge advantage to have, no mater the altitude to launch from non of these weapons other than the kh38 can go beyond mach 1, and high alt missiles are the easiest to intercept using the pansir since its radar is the best when it comes to vertical search,
and the other nations are already asking for those kinds of AA but the points is they dont even have anything on par with just the pantsir.
i mean at the end of the day i think we are all on the same side here, buffing AA in general is what we all want but the devs are just gonna keep leaving the AA issue on the table for what i would assume to be most of next year as well
My teammate flying his new f15e going mach 4 doesnt make it more enjoyable for me to fly a su27, i could care less who wins the match aside from rp gains which i dont really need if im in the su27 anyway
That their skills issue to not pay attention and utilize the tools they had like i said “more than two braincell” but fortunately most of pantsir don’t have it lol
Why is it that 90% of the complaining always comes from usa players, with subpar skill at that
At the lower tiers they have enough flight performance to do PvP, though.
Not all of the Bf 109s are stuck with 60 rounds per gun, the F-2 gets 200 rounds for its gun. The other planes mentioned have ammunition counts comparable to the US fighters (which fluctuate in the range of 200-400 rounds per gun).
The Russian planes are on the lower end of the 200-400 rounds per gun range, but usually not less than that.
Most German 4.0 - 6.0 fighters are stuck with a single 250/500kg bomb. Their strike aircraft can carry up to 3 250/500kg bombs.
Most USSR 4.0 - 6.0 fighters can carry 2x250kg bombs at best. Their strike aircraft aren’t much better either.
Some US fighters (such as 4.7 P47) can carry 3x500kg bombs while most others can carry 2x500kg.
It’s obvious that US fighters are outright better at multi-role than GER/USSR ones and they even have comparable loads with some strike aircraft. Long range bombers are another story though.
P-47 doesnt turn into some sort of manuverable fighter without a load, so youre just lying
It’s not just P47.
It’s better to have 2x500kg than a single 250kg (in case of Germany) or 2x250kg at best in case of USSR.
2x500kg isn’t a small load at that BR, even for strike aircraft.
So yeah, US has better multi-role props than USSR/GER.
Debatable. I still wouldnt consider them fighters imo.
Yeah, there is a bf109 with 33% capacity per gun. Still 1 vs 4-6 guns.
The yaks are usually maxed at 120 rounds for the 20mm. The 12.7s on the yaks has that much ammo. But as above, the US still has more guns and ammo along side them having sizavke bombs that the yaks dont have. The LAs are probably the closest to the US.
It does make a difference for you for the same reason it would make a difference to have Pantsirs on both teams instead of just one.
If your team was 100% Flanker you’d stand almost no chance. That’s what GRB is like.