I’ll have you know, its really good!!! it uhhh kills me!!! /s
Didn’t they take this shell away before for some tanks then give it back?
Makes you wonder why they even bothered with making the “D” shells for their 57, 85, 100mm guns after the war, right? ;)
Well, WarThunder isn’t real life.
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yes
added it to is-2 (1944) then took it away when it went down in br then added it when it went up again
(iirc)
At first, I was baffled when I saw you talking about the “D-25TS” gun in this context, but then I realized there existed two soviet guns with this designation (in Cyrillic “Д-25ТС”)
Edit: actually I’m wrong and @KillaKiwi is right. There was always only one “Д-25ТС” gun.
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Iirc this one was used on the T-10B, which was stabilized. Maybe some other stuff, but that’s the only one I remember
Gaijin removed the BR 471D from the IS-2 about 4 years ago and the forum community revolted so they added it back not long after.
Yes, my bad. Too little time to dedicate to refreshing my knowledge of tanks nowadays. :)
what?
I see. Guess this confirms that this shell was put in service.
On the topic of it’s performance IRL:
I have taken the data for the german 128mm Pzgr. from this graph here as a reference to estimate the performance that the BR-471D would’ve had:
A bit funny how the “B” shell in the game has higher penetration at 100m but I’m sure Gaijin knows what they’re doing. /sarcasm
Spoiler
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Is that the source from that blog?
It says the ammo for the D-25T can be used in the D-49 and the D-49 was practically the same cannon found in the T-10A, which were both modernised variants of the D-25T.
Which sounds like both T-10A and SU-122-54 would have used the BR-471D shell as well as all the ammunition that was used for the D-25T but not that the D-25T would also fire the BR-741D, even though it was/should be possible.
Obviously they would produce the ammo to be used in the T-10A and SU-122-54 but I don’t think that the ammunition would have been issued to vehicles using the D-25T that were somewhat obsolete and being replaced.
And neither T-10A/B or SU-122-54 were around for a long time.
Both the T-10M and the D-74 field cannon used the BR-472 shell as their only convential AP round.
The BR-471B shell was one of two armour-piercing shells originally available to the T-10 in 1953. The BR-471 shell of WWII vintage can skipped over even though wartime stockpiles of this obsolete shell still existed because T-10 tanks were simply not intended to use this shell, given that the TSh2-27 and TPS1 sights were only marked for BR-471B rounds.
Although the BR-471 shell was the standard armour-piercing round for IS-2 tanks during WWII, the BR-471B shell already began supplanting it in 1945, albeit too late to see combat in Europe, and it replaced the BR-471 entirely during the 1950’s. The main targets of BR-471 shells during its heyday were German tanks such as Panthers and Tigers, against which it was generally quite successful. Even Tiger II tanks could fall victim to this shell under certain circumstances. However, its performance on sloped armour plate, and its long range energy retention, were both not ideal as it was a simple sharp-tipped projectile.
AFAIK the D-49 was ballistically identical to the D-25T, so I don’t see why their ammunition would not be interchangeable. This is not like with the American 90mm guns M3 and M36 where the latter operated at higher pressure.
but I don’t think that the ammunition would have been issued to vehicles using the D-25T that were somewhat obsolete and being replaced.
JS-3s used the D-25T and they were still held in storage as late at 1990. If they had mass produced a certain shell fitting for it’s gun, it would’ve certainly used it in combat. (like in the 1967 war)
BR-471D isn’t even the best round for the 122, it’s a good round, and a sidegrade to the 471B. Removing it would change nothing @Tr0lski
Kinda how removing every non APHE round from the T-10M would practically change nothing 🤔
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No idea what a blog, that’s just Su-122 manual
The blog some guy mentioned in this thread, which OP replied to not containing any reference to the BR-471D and then someone said that he should actually read it instead of pressing Ctrl+F.
But alright, so we know that SU-122-54 used BR-471D as well as all the other 122mm rounds in stock.
You saying that is-6’s best shell must be taken, eveb though is-6 is bad tank.