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Excellent find, I as well been passed along material that corroborates this, it was used in a naval capacity after all. Multipathing is more likely to be a balancing factor in game, though I believe we should petition it as a bug report for a response, should Mamba get added.
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i think they should at least reduce MP for SAMS to 10-20m or it would be wayy to easy to counter SAMP/T , BUk M3 , every radar guided SAM , u can simply fly at 40m and gun them down.
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I have a question about the Arabel radar.
What exactly does “refresh rate” mean?
If I understand correctly, 60 rpm of the radar means that the radar rotates and updates once per second, but I don’t quite understand what “Refresh Rate 4 seconds” means.
Are the radar’s rpm and refresh rate separate functions? If you could explain in more detail, I would appreciate it.
I think it means a target classified as non priority will be refreshed once every 4 rotation.
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This is correct. Priority targets, those being actively targeted, update ever second. This was poor phrasing on my part as there is also some material the references response time not as the actual physical capabilities, but including the human approval process for target engagement. I’ll make it more explicit in that section, as it is further detailed better later on.
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That means ARABEL splits its search into 4 zones, interesting.
Most likely indeed
My heavy bias for french stuff can not overcome the profound disgust i have for this radar tbh
The only good thing about it is that it’s being replaced by an actual good one (Ground Fire 300) soonish
Thankfully for the italians, they shouldn’t be concerned by this issue as they have an other radar to my knowledge
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The biggest pittance that Gaijin could give should this system get added is skip to the NG, even the lack of NCTR is very disappointing.
Heh, if it’s correctly implemented it would still most likely be the best SAM compared to what there is currently in game. (correctly implemented meaning having an Aster that behaves like an Aster and multipath fixed)
Arabel is quite limited : slow refresh rate on non priority target and 70km of max range - less than the missile - but still quite huge in game X)
I don’t even think we’ll see the system next patch tbh, despite what was stated by the devs, because they may have mixed the Aster 15 in here somehow
Due to mentions of it being usable in conjunction with external systems, it’s possible the target identification was delegated to them, as friend or foe. Still seems like an oversight to engage so far without knowing what you’re shooting at, though a really fast missile heading your way would also be very obvious.
I love the forum, somehow every time I leave this topic, this message is flagged as a new response, meaning I get a notification.
I love Forum moments, good thing the posting error isn’t happening rn.
Bdw, where did you get the ARABEL data?
The Italians should be using EMPAR I believe. Although I haven’t looked into the nuances of the system.
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You never know, NCTR might not have been mentioned in materials. Tho with that you will never know either way.
Due to the way French material is written a lot of the time, it isn’t impossible that it has NCTR. Material regarding the SAMP/T NG and GF300 do seem to laud it as a highly advanced feature compared to Arabel, supposing it lacks the function, at least in a directly integrated capacity.
EMPAR is naval only, or is it on the ground too?
Apropos Arabel; some Arabel info from a 90s Naval related stuff document. Do note that it is from the 90s, so it wont include upgrades (if there are any)
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My apologies, EMPAR is the naval radar, I believe that Italy as well used Arabel, but then differentiated for the SAMP/T NG towards Kronos, while France used GF300. Though there are earlier mentions of trying to use a different Radar as early as the original SAMP/Ts.