The SAMP/T 'Mamba' - History, Design, Performance & Discussion

The excuse was it had a better delivery timescale. The EU fund may also have played into this also. But its an exceptional system in its own right.

On the new batteries what radar does it use, because there’s no way it’s Arabel right?

As we all know politics will play a role, but ASTER 30 will also have an exceptional PoK higher than contemporary systems (hence why the Brits selected it for the T45’s after lessons from the Falklands), so with fewer batteries on order (8), that might also be another big factor.

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comparable with a few advantages for one or the other

Patriot is more mass produced, got slightly longer range and a bigger warhead
SAMP/T is faster, and more maneuverable though

One of SAMP/T biggest weak point is the radar, but it’s getting changed with the NG version

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SAMP/T’s ASTER 30 probably has a higher PoK, it’s designed that way, certain Patriot interceptors have a higher range but overall comparing the available missiles they’re roughly paired for range. Certain Patriot interceptors are also faster but again it averages out.

Both have ABM capabilities. I don’t think anyone could credibly compare the two and definitively come out with an all-round winner?

Leonardo Kronos radar for the italians
Thales Ground Fire 300 for the french

Both AESA, both similar, both in the 300 km range ballpark

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Are those systems that are capable of taking advantage of the ASTER 30’s full range? Kronos iirc Italy uses on their FREMM’s. (Also since when was it not called EMPAR?)

Nevermind you updated it and answered my question. Thankyou

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Yeah, and it’s especially important since Aster 30s range kind of evolved through time, from 120 to 150 km today, i’d assume via some trajectory shaping and battery improvments.

AFAIK the engine used on Aster 30 block 1 is the same as Aster 30 block 1 NT

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Next time I would suggest to narrow it down to Kronos GMHP, as there are multiple of them.

Yeah I believe you are correct there as from what I can see there weren’t any motor improvements.

Will be interesting to see if Block 2BMD incorporates a range increase.

Hate to be that guy but i think Block 2 BMD got cancelled

MBDA is moving to the Aquila now :

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the one in the middle

Aster-30 may continue getting electronics / powder improvment down the line, but i don’t expect its airframe to evolve much

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Aquila looks like real menace tho.

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That’s a shame, but at least MBDA have already got a successor lined up.

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Yeah, 3 stages, and from a rough estimate, i’d say about 6m long

Well it’s supposed to be sort of an “anti-everything” but especially anti-hypersonic

Interestingly enough, they may plan to build the second stage with a ramjet like meteor. Still early stages, so unconfirmed for now.

If i remember well there is a bug report of aster 30 block 1 being 150km too.

Denmark said it was cheaper to operate samp/t ng + there are people saying some weird stuff that patriot works in a way that make it launch 2 missile to try to intercept one target while samp/t launch one and if it doesn’t reach target would launch another one.

DirectSupport’s report, but i’m not sure if i agree with it tbh

All 4 primary sources are available right on the report, all open for anyone to see or point out anything they believe is a mistake. Anyway, the report is closed for now since Mulatu will update his report.

Evidence shows that the Aster-30 Block 1NT has over 150km in range, with the only changes being the seeker and some of the electronics. It is explicitly said that there were no mass, size, or booster changes.

It was figured out that the Aster-30 Block 1 has a range of 120km limited by battery time but still has kinetic potential of 150km.

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Ha OK that would make sense then

IMO trajectory shaping improvments and Battery could suffice to explain the 30km bump

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i think aster 30 is more maneuverable but even patriot uses smaller (medium range/hit to kill) missile with 80km range and it can carry 12 of those per launcher or use them in a mixed configuration(6x pac 3 + 2x pac 2). but the only disadvantage is that PAC 1 & 2 are sarh guided. but it can also use PAC 3 MSE which has more range than PAC 3.

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12 when using PAC-3 MSE, 16 when using PAC-3 CRI
(per TEL)