Yeah but then for france they’re making hte MSC protoype leclerc TT and a 2A4 prem.
they’re too incosistant aren’t they?
Put up a fight in what way? Theres literally nothing different about it except for its mediocre “Stealth” and reduced armament.
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The leo is an over used copy paste. Like the old shermans and t80 variants a while back.
France already has a dutch 2a4 in the tech tree, thats why this new leo is a prem.
MSC was a pre production test bed for different moduals (MSC came after the prototype), production variant became the Leclerc. Thats why the MSC is often reffered to as the first Leclerc. And also why it’d fill the gap in the TT better rather then the actual prototype Leclerc or a second 2A4.
RAH-66 on the other hand had only 2 prototypes. All work on the Comache was terminated due to budget cuts and the high costs of the aircraft. (Had to majorly upgraded to newer standards).
Didn’t Gaijin explicitly mention that if a vehicle is added as a premium first, it or a very similar variant will never be added to the tech tree?
Still the RAH-66 can only carry 14x AGM-114B rockets with a gun that does less damage. Besides that it currently doesn’t have other weapon options, also meaning you can’t spawn it early game even if you wanted to.
Meanwhile the AH-64A can carry 16× AGM-114B rockets combined with 4x Atlas milles, a better gun and the option to choose different weapon types to combine.
(Has 2 premium varaints aswell)
Looking at the 64D, 60L and 1Z, they all carry more and better hellfire variants. They have the ability to customize weapon layouts for different loadouts and appart from the 60L, they have a better gun aswell.
Sure their br is higher, but then you can just go for the YAH-64 instead (same br). That still had a better gun, 2 more AGM-114B rockets and the ability to carry 4 hydra gun pods. (Of you don’t want to play for the RP it’s around the same price, you just get a better loadout)
So in more then 1 way, the tech tree has better options. (Especially since the maker of the topic doesn’t want to pay)
The new Leo is a prem cause they wanted to create a 10.7 lineup with absolutely 0 effort thats why. there was no need for leopards in france (which dont even get dutch voices xD)
It would of been a ripper of a premium , or even a foundation for a 10.7 lineup.
Now its getting nerfed before its even finished and itll likely end up at 11.0 on its own
Bro it wasn’t even a real tank haha. Idk if you’re dutch aswell but the LES reffers to a learner vehicle for driver training. They often didn’t have turrets to start with but rather a glass dome for the instructor to ride along. The licenseplate isn’t even connected to a tank.
I think it became a premium to fill a gap like you said. But since more people would rather have actual tt stuff that is accesable, the leo was an easy move for the people that wan’t a premium.
To be fair it’s placed at 10.7 atm. People want more actual frensh tanks instead of the copy paste in general.
I think it’ll stay at 10.7 tbh. It has only a slightly better round then the 2a4 but it’s not really that crazy. In terms of speeds it’s kinda close aswell.
We got a bit off the heli topic. We might wanna switch to a different treat for this.
Stores by the time it goes live will include ATAS, and hydra (?HEAT?) rockets, what you see on Dev isn’t (always) final.
Further if Gaijin really wanted they could revise which variants of the Hellfire the RAH-66 has access to,
as it postdates production of all major variants the ARMY uses, bar the Romeo. In order to expand the potential target set other variants (e.g. AGM-114K, -N or -114L) could be implemented, on top of other survivability improvements that could be implemented.
Assorted reports
- The AN/APR-39(V)1 RWR
- AN/ALQ-144 IR Jammer (see AH-1F)
- M-130 chaff dispenser
The ATAS is also similar, and so could receive a “POST seeker” equipt variant(s), in the RMP variants.
It was more so that going forward there aren’t many offensively minded left to add (unless we’re talking either ASW / AShM capabilities or prototypes like the sea apache, but that is generally just more of the same), not that better options don’t exist.
It’s that they aren’t that much of a meaning full step forward, considering existing limitations on ordnance. So it effectively peaks with the AH-64D that we have now until something changes.
Further there remains the potential for a Tech-Tree variant of the RAH-66 to be added at some point in the future anyway.
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i know, like i said.
In that case my statement would change, but what i said is only based on what it currently has.
And no hate but how are they gonna add something in a correct way when the project is still largely classified today? It only got shut down around 2004 if i remember correctly. Knowing gaijin, the images you shared won’t fit their ‘‘official’’ source requirement or whatever they call it these days. And from what i see online it’s a lot of ‘‘could have’’ and not ‘‘has’’. So then it would become more of a video/ photo hunt right?
I’m all for histroicly correct vehicles and prototypes, aslong as they are correct and have proof that backs it up. (Not like the Chally 3 with made up specs for example or the paper vehicles we have in game).
What tank? the Premium? As i was refering to the actual dutch 2a4, a5 and a6 in the TT, I’ve not even bothered to waste my time looking at the premium one.
I mean the KVT is fake as well as IRl it was an M1A1 but so we crossed that road a while ago.
Also no I am not Dutch, but I really find it fking jarring to bounce from a french speaking tank to an american, cause you know, laziness xD
Im not french either but I’ve got it set so tanks use voice lines from their respective countries, i prefer it.
There’s quite a big distinction between cutting people off from access to a vehicle (type 74 G for example being the best type 74 but is prem)
and just arbitrarily jamming leopards in every damn tree as a premium.
I mean, france 10.7 right now consists of the Leopard 2a4NL, with this the 10.7 “lineup” will be two, two whole vehilces.
For cas? well the super etendard is fking 11.0 now (for some reason) while the Jag A sits at 10.3 with the same weapons xD.
I want a fresh tank I was looking forward to this thing, until I seen it’s already being nerfed.
I think performance of the players will make it 11.0, the reason the 2a4’s stay 10.7 is, they cant move frances up, for example due to player performance while leaving german or swedish at 10.7. they would need to move all of em up.
with this I agree, its a heli topic apologies all.
The heli feels a bit odd to me TBH, it feels like we should get a prem one, and a better TT variant much like KA50 VS KA52
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Because the various sources don’t necessary provide detail only touch on capabilities in broad strokes, and that often though collating various sources can estimations be built. It’s not like Gaijin requires a perfect understating of the actual underlying mechanics since they are abstracted quite a bit in most respects
They do.
You do get that sources do exist that meet the requirements set out by Gaijin. So they’re sufficient.
These are the two that I am referring to for the most part.
That’s not quite the standard Gaijin uses;
“Hello. Thanks for the report. As long as a vehicle is able to fire and use a weapon (that is, it is technically compatible), then the weapon is open to consideration for the aircraft. Being in a given nations ownership/ stockpile is not a requirement. Nothing in the sources state the F/A-18C could not carry these weapons.”
So other hellfire variants are suitable considering there are no known restrictions on mounting them to the rails. So at very least the option remains open.
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My bad, thought you meant the prem.
Yea me to. Thinking about getting a sound mod so the overall gameplay doesn’t sound so dull.
I guess they ran out of shermans lmao.
Yea i agree. But idk how they’d implement this. If they really give the current prem the full house, then a TT could only benifit from something like a newer model hellfire right?
Helicopters spawned into any match above 10.3 are just rolling the dice if anyone bothered spawning SPAA, absolute food for any saclos SAM.
The only ones remotely scary are ones with pars or spikes.
Yeah it gets confusing when theres about 4 of them in each tree.
I dont use any of that but this is making me consider it
I mean at least the shermans made sense xd
Definitely agreed there, much like KA52 has thermals etc over the standard Ka50
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They should add it like they added the 13.0 swedish premium. One as a premium and one as a TT vehicle.
Even with the vihkir being faster, i still love the spikes and Pars missles waaay more. fnf is so hella important on top tier. especially with the new aa’s coming in.
It’s going to have Hellfire missiles!! It’s confirmed and can be seen in the Comanche pre-order area. Keep in mind this is still the dev server. Have you seen how that thing can withstand four missiles and still fly?
I am a bit toasted at this hour and i cannot differentiate between honesty and satire , please clarify.
You can now pre-order the Comanche, according to the pre-sale area the Comanche will have Hellfire missiles (I don’t know if they will be the ones with semi-automatic laser guidance or the Hellfire with the system with the fire and forget system,If it’s real it should have both, but well, we’ll see. Don’t forget that what we’ve seen of Comanche is only on the dev server, which is why its stealth is mediocre, it’s missing a lot of things and more all of that will be added when it comes out, plus ThunderWar uploaded a short testing it and the Comanche is able to withstand machine guns and surface-to-air missiles without problems while still flying,That’s why I compared it to the Ka52. Having an armored helicopter is never a bad thing, right?
Fire and Forget ones aren’t currently in-game, and regardless.
If you are spotted by a KA52 you are dead. Only way a Hellfire will hit a KA52 is at close ranges, assuming said KA52 doesn’t move at all despite the numerous warnings caused by a Hellfire launch.