Premiums are often used by inexperienced, low level players to ease their grind too…
GB and France are two different nations.
M1 and KVT are found in a same nation though.
It’s also extremely funny how you averaged 2A4 stats from all nations, including 3 minor nations.
They also fight a platform that can be hit through by their stock HEATFS and tier I APFSDS just fine from the front, unlike the M1.
Congrats on learning tank design? It’s a breakthrough tank of an upgraded T-72 that put cheap production with decent armor. You’re able to be far more aggressive with it and push things that would get you murdered within milliseconds in the M1 because it has armor that can take hits.
And yeah, it’s 0.6-0.7. And tbf, most of the other tanks around its BR do fine. It really does come down to the fact it gets the worst APFSDS at its BR by a decent margin and doesn’t have the armor to stand up to what it fights (either because of the ammunition or the fact the M1 has a literal broken DM that gives it a massive weakspot that takes turret controls and the engine if it doesn’t just one tap your crew even against autocannons). Here’s the list of the TT MBTs over the past 7 months.
And that data is pulled from? I’ve seen anything between a level 12 with a M1 KVT and a peashooter to level 100s running it only to grind through the TT. That’s why I don’t include premiums because the expectation of who is playing it at this BR is wildly inaccurate.
I also didn’t include the premium variants. Turns out, that’s going to be the most accurate representation of the tank and the people playing it. Seeing how they’re the same exact tank, it’s only logical to put them together and average out the TT players.
Level 12s don’t really have access to TT vehicles that high up, unlike premiums that can be bought by anyone.
Only if you fail to acknowledge the fact minor nations tend to have much better players than three major ones, which reflects in the stats as a result.
Nobody does unless they grind the TT… that’s the point, using premium tank/aircraft data in the discussion leads to wildly inaccurate data. If that’s the case, the BMPT isn’t as good as it is because the BMPT-72 performs worse and the T-72B3 is bad because the T-72B3 Arena does worse (which the only difference is APS v Passive).
Again, it’s the same tank in a different TT. People still had to grind their way up to play the tank instead of buying it meaning it isn’t a low level player just buying it and messing up the data. Does that mean the M1A2T is a better tank than the M1A2 SEP V2 even though it’s the same exact tank (with a 1.45KD v 1.29)? Or would you combine the two seeing how it’s the same TT tank and averages the playerbase statistics?
Premiums are literally designed to aid people in grinding TTs.
The only difference being that those two aren’t the same, unlike M1 and KVT.
BMPT-72 has only 3 crew, which significantly reduces it’s survivability.
T-72B3 is a much more mobile tank with better armor than Arena that also sit at a different BR.
No, I wouldn’t combine the two if comparing SEP V2 with another tank from one of the major nations.
Doing that would just skew the stats as, yet again, minor nations have better players on average than major ones.
And can be bought by Timmy who just downloaded the game and wants to play modern tanks. Does that mean he’s got the same skill set as the average player at that BR?
T-72B3 v T-72B3 “Arena”
Foward speed: 60 km/h (same)
Reverse speed: 4 km/h (same)
Zoom: 4.0x-12.0x (same)
Thermal: 800 x 600 (same)
Ammunition: 3BK18M, 3OF26, 3BM60, 3BM42, 9M1191 (same)
Reload: 7s (same)
Traverse speed (horizontal/vertical): 40*/s 40*/s (same)
Vertical Guidance: -5/13* (same)
Sure, the Arena has a slightly worse P:W ratio of 18.1 hp/t v 24 hp/t but the only difference is APS/passive and a new engine. Like congrats, does that negate what I stated? It’s the same hull, same capability and gets a better protection system that counters ATGMs/AGMs. I can’t count the number of times I’ve been saved from AGM-65s/Hellfires by that system. Which is funny that it’s also a modern system from 2013 that’s only 0.3 BR higher than the M1 Abrams with a top tier round…
But it’s the same exact tank… what makes it any less useful as the other one if it’s the same exact tank?
Even if you include Timmy, KVT is often performing better than M1.
That isn’t just slightly lol.
B3 also has Relikt bags on the side, increasing it’s armor.
Cool, that could also mean minor nation players are buying it to grind through the TT and artificially increasing it… again, hence why people who discuss things like this don’t include the premiums because there’s no way to gain information as to who is buying and playing them.
It’s 5.9 HP/T difference… it’s a pretty minute difference. Yes, like I stated, the difference is passive protection v active protection. Do I have to spell everything out for you or are you going to be pedantic?
Yes, while little Timmy is buying it and artificially decreasing it.
5.9 HP/t isn’t a minute difference lol.
Nope, it’s a similar tank played by better players.
Minor nation mains are simply better than major nation mains.
So, since you want to argue that, the German Leopard 2A4 should go down in BR since it alone is the worst performing 2A4 variant and the other ones should stay the same or go up in BR since the players do better in the same exact tank with the same exact modifications?
EDIT: The minor nations also make up about half of the total matches of TT leopard 2A4s
Gaijin already understands this which is why direct copies of tanks will stay at the same BR.
Yeah, hence why the data runs together and not separate… do you think about what you’re arguing or just trying to poorly troll a discussion?
We don’t know how the data runs, but they simply won’t increase a BR of any given vehicle unless all variants found in all TTs are overperforming. I guess that’s hard to understand to you.
I guess you’re the only one in here not understanding the difference between major and minor players.
Just posting this here. Arena is ridiculously slow and already slow T-90A looks like a rocket ship in comparison.
Minute difference
Wow, the 0-30 is about 1 second. Are you constantly trying to run around the map at 60 kph all the time or something to argue this stat?
0-30 is about 1s while 0-60 is about 10s, meaning going from 0 to 40 or 50 will be much faster in B3.
You’ll cross open areas faster, you’ll get to spots/flanks faster, be harder to hit due to speed…
Handwaving this obvious and pretty big advantage to argue “they’re the same tanks” is just funny.
B3 at 11.3 still has better stats than Arena at 11.0, so I guess that mobility deficit really can hurt a tank. No wonder, Arena has the mobility of a 8.7 tank at 11.0.
Well, you wanted to argue the M1 having M900 would be the same as the IPM1 when the IPM1 has better armor and acceleration so how does the logic feel? Oh wait… it’s somehow different when you use that argument right?
Lie.
Lie #2.
24°/sec and 3.5°/sec vertical
-vs-
40°/sec and 24°/sec vertical
That is not ‘‘Everyone is quite fast on average’’.
Lie #3.
You can overmatch the turret roof, mantlet is vulnerable, overmatch side armour, LFP is easily large enough to be a consistent weakspot and the turret ring, though small, is still viable at close ranges.
That’s a problem with the BMPT, not the Abrams.
It’s silly to imply that the Abrams uniquely suffers when dealing with the BMPT. If the BMPT were moved to 12.0 the Abrams troubles disappear like snow before the sun.
Meanwhile, buffing the M1 Abrams with M900 would make the Abrams a menace to everything else around the BR.
Stop pretending it’s not a player skill issue.
