The Issue of F-16I’s BR Placement

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@Ozyehuda
Stock grind is the same for anyone else:
no flares/chaffs - no survivability
no AAM mods - low kill rates

If you search to use a F-16 the same way as you use and F-15, then you’re the one that needs some improvement,… it is clear that a light mono engine fighter, is not going to be used the same way as an Heavy Dual engine one,…

that’s the biggest problem of WT community so far,… the “One-Trick-Poney Method”
using the SAME method for every aircraft demonstrates you’ve learned nothing in this game.

you have to adapt to your vehicule, and not adapt a method to it.
that’s the worst thing happenning right now,… most people tends to forget everything when new vehicule arrives in game.

@noamax : come back once you spaded it

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you’ve not even played it,…

@F-16D_Barak_II :
you need to give it some times, as you did for the others:

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Considering you’re a new owner of the F-16I, you’re doing 1:1 KD rate and it’s normal.
once you’ve grinded it a bit more, you’ll be going for 1.3:1 to 2:1 KD rate, as you did with F-16D Barak II or Netz.

@livilsed : considering what i’ve seen so far, checking on who have ben using it:
here your RB history:

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you seemed to favor F-15’s because you’ve greater time on F-15’s platforms,
which you’ve never had in any F-16’s ones.
so you might need to read the point i made to @Ozyehuda , because i think it applies to you aswell.

in the case of missiles - they all have been designed with different purposes, and trying to use the doctrinal way of one missile to another (be it a variant or not) is not the way to do it.

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Thats the point its hella bad so im not even gonna try to spade it
Wait u think this is valid 14.0?
What did u smoked pls give me some

The f16c can do everything sufa can do but better on a lower br its a bit crazy dont u think?

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Your response seems unrelated to what I said—I never said I’m playing F-16I using the F-15’s tactics. As I said before, firstly: if one uses the heavy fighter (F-15) playstyle (climbing to altitude then using high-altitude advantage to launch active radar missiles from long distance), doing so with the F-16I gives no advantage in speed or energy compared to an F-15 of similar weight. Secondly: assuming one instead uses a medium fighter strategy—that is, engaging enemies at medium to close ranges—then, as I said before, the AIM-120C5 has no advantage in such encounters; even at around 20 km it can be easily evaded by the opponent, due among other things to its large turn radius and issues with the seeker head.

Finally, you suggest these problems are due to my using the wrong playstyle. If you think there is a unique strategy for the F-16I that I haven’t discovered, I would gladly hear you out. I’m simply laying out the problems I’ve encountered, and I believe I’m not the only one experiencing them.

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And as you mentioned, “in the case of missiles - they all have been designed with different purposes, and trying to use the doctrinal way of one missile to another (be it a variant or not) is not the way to do it.”That is the issue: the F-16I can only use the AIM-120C5. According to your view, then the F-16I is only suitable for high-altitude playstyles, because the AIM-120C5 is designed for long-distance launches.

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you see
i grinded the whole israel TT
i played with all the f15’s and f16’s
the only thing that i suffer is it being on 14.0
i need to face things that greater then me and currently i lack of capabilities and its wont cahnge even when i max it out
if you say i got skill issue, probaly im sorry im not in my prime. but ik what is playble and what is pure shit
like i mean the f16d feeling totally fine sometimes up-tier sometimes down-tier and always you can enjoy

i know the gameplay differences and approaches with the F16’s and F15’s paltforms. but i talk about the fact that you always will face 14.0 and at 14.0 you CANNOT preform like F15E or EF and the Rafale.
But in the end top tier ARB is same logic for the most vehicles.

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The netz isnt great either it should be 12.3 like f16a

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Problem is that light fighters are simply not meta for this game, the best fighters are medium to heavy weight fighters due to the amount of pressure they can exert

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Nah F-16 claps those heavy cheeks

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F-2A to 12.3!!!.. its just a completely redesigned F-16 after all!

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In a normal game f-16 is doing much less than a eurofighter, Rafael, su30sm or f15e simply due to its limited loadout

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Yeah I ground my sufa out, but i’m just going to leave it be until gaijin does something with it, I refuse to play it in ARB given the experience I had grinding it (using the F-16C, which was pretty negative)

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Which is why smaller fighters should be given superior avionics or ECM in the future, this’ll help balance out the meta since less missiles but better defenses sounds pretty fair to me.

For example, I’m hoping that the JAS-39E will be able to effectively counter the ever growing amount of fox-3s being thrown around at top tier with it’s amazing data fusion and defensive suite.

Yk what else has those two things, the F-16I, yet it isn’t really represented well in game

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I think gaijins intention for the f16i is for it to be used in ground, as a Cas platform with the spice 250

There is also an accepted bug report that will give it the ability to carry 16 of them

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That was my intention too, it’s just that stock grinding CAS jets isn’t really doable atm outside of air modes, so I’m still holding off until it’s more pleasant to play, besides I still have 3 SPICE capable 4th gens to play in the mean time

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if that’s the case, a revamp of RP gains needs to be done, im unlocking the F-16I, yet I have seen quite a few Sufas doing nothing in top tier matches, unable to do any damage

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idk its in a wierd place but fine to me

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Same br as the new squadron f16a with 6 irccm missiles 4 of them are magic 2 which are insane in this br

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it’s the Squadron F-16 that should be 13.0

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may not be META, F-16I is like many aircraft french played before - non META ones,…

i’ve grinded the whole French TT (French , not belgian/NL), and had to deal with frustrating aircrafts the whole grind,…
VB.10’s
MD452’s
Super Mystère B2
Even Mirage III’s / 5F and F.1’s
i came late to profit of M4K, and M2K’s (apart 2000-5F) are non META due to low missile amount (4 vs 8 most of the time)

sooo, when people who holds a lot of META fighters come to complain about their new toy, i’m a bit puzzled by the amount of tears and salt.
and as you can see in the video, the F-16I does hold it’s own even as a non-meta fighter.

14.0 is not a bad rating considering that there is no AIM-120C under 14.0 BR right now.
and it’s certainly not going to follow any BR Raise, if “fake decompression” happens.(adding 14.7 BR)

so you guys are frustrated? well it’s life when you sold your soul to the Snail God.

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F-16D is better or at least a sidegrade at 13.3. Also the F-16ADF/MLU

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