another one that didn’t read.
yes it did, and these are without killing subsonics. The 19S had more subsonic frags but that’s it. With the PT i couldn’t permit myself from adding stuff under the wings other than the missiles because it was so heavy and adding more weight would hinder it more. In fact the mig19Pt gets easily handled by the f-5e in a 1v1, but the 19S easily wins the J7E and the f-5e, it even could win the f-16a block 15 before the buff.
Assuming this is Kills-deaths, how are you even justifying this post? Are you expecting a k/d greater than 3? If anything these stats just prove it is broken overpowered
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ANOTHER ONE that didn’t read lmao
there isnt a lot of substance to read really, you said it stomps in downteirs and gets stomped in upteirs. Well done, thats most vehicles in the game. The post doesnt really make sense because they havent changed it in ages. If you are going to make a troll post at least make it entertaining
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Even if i ignore how worse did you do with the pt compared to the f5c. with the mig 19s you still did as well as in the f5c… if those claims were true you will be doing much better on the mig 19 than with the f5c since it is a full br lower, but thats not the case since it is false.
The mig 19 wouldnt do better than the f5c at 10.3 thats just bs.
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I did, but what are you saying? It stomps in downtiers for sure but it doesn’t start to struggle until if gets a max up tier and even then it’s far from unusable. As you say it’s hard to kil but doesn’t stop people from running from you however, without that the thing would be 12.0 (f20) as then it wouldn’t be a winnable fight facing these little shits. It’s hard to balance because gaijin gave them flares it never had, this jet at 10.3 without flares would make it struggle a lot more in uptiers but would stop it stomping in downtiers as then 9.3s with decent missiles could actually combat you. If it’s between one jet suffering or an entire br then I would rather the f5 fucking struggle. But gaijin care about money, not fun, so good luck getting this moved up let alone down.
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there isnt a lot of substance to read really, you said it stomps in downteirs and gets stomped in upteirs. Well done, thats most vehicles in the game
No? the mig21 smt can do very well at 11.3, the f8e still handles 11.0 nicely, the mig23 ml is still a beast at 12.0, the f-4e is a menace cause it’s literally the phantom that can out dogfight you or out missile you, if it had a doppler radar it would be 11.7 material, there are definitely some vehicles that are indeed more under BRd than the f-5c itself. You can’t really justify that one of the slowest 10.3s with the worst armaments and a good dogfight airframe is worth being alongside things that aren’t 12.0 because they don’t have all aspect missiles. You wanting the f5E at 11.0? Sorry what? And the j7e? to 11.7?
the mig19 won’t do as good as f5c at 10.3 because it doesn’t have the armament sets of the rest of 10.3s, be it four high G missiles and flares. I did bad on PT because I was learning supersonics with it and also ignored subsonic aircraft unless i have to kill the last guy on the enemy team, same thing I did on f104a. MiG19S is a plane I did way better in because I already learned MiG19PT, 19S is way lighter and more powerful and I also ignored subsonics; rather fixating myself on mirages, f5c’s and other supersonics unless the last guy on the enemy team was a subsonic I would kill it but not on a regular basis.
If the J7E can do well at 11.0 being just a MiG21 F13 with double delta wing and the thrust weight of the MiG21 Bis, is because of it’s missiles. The F-5E got from 11.0 to 10.7 because it doesn’t have the performance nor the armament set of the j7e, 11.0 plus is no longer about dogfighting, 10.3 same story.
The f5c is better than a mig 21 in basically most things apart from missiles. If your losing to them your either in a 3 vs 1 (as a 2 va 1 is doable) or you got third partyed. Please learn to dodge missiles and dog fight first before staying that the f5 is over br please. The f5 ruin an entire br bracket because people are shit at it.
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there are 4 variations of MiG21 it can face; the MiG21 F13, the MiG21 S/PFM/MF, the SMT and the Bis; and it is slower than all of them including the mediocre F13. I am not losing to mig21s on f-5c, i just keep facing people like you that still haven’t learned that you run away from zeroes instead of dogfighting them after having reached top tier. You’re bad and your narrative full of fallacies really tells out. Peak comedy lies on the fact that you’re lecturing me how to f-5c while you’re negative on everything.
Oh trust me I am painfully aware you don’t fuck with f5c (or zeros as I am the zero) unless you know you can’t tussle. The f5c is THE dog fighter, so what the fuck are you going on about being slower than a mig 21? Who cares if you’re slower when you have 120flares with 2 engines that create as much heat as me rubbing my hands together. The things immune to missiles far as long as you want to dog fight and has enough thrust to stay in the fight. The fact you’re complaining about an f5c is the true comedy, because if you ask anyone else they’ll agree with me that the f5c is under tiered. All apart from the mig 21 bis is prey to you, the bis is only scary due to its power/thrust ratio slowing it to escape from you let alone try and dog fight.
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you keep carrying on. The F-5C is not THE dogfighter, it gets easily beaten by a majority of things it faces, including mig21s if you knew to stick to vertical one circle fights. It being way slower than your mig is reason enough to run away from it and not engage. You can also energy trap it, the mig21 mf climbs like an f104a. It doesn’t have 120 flares, what u smokin? It has 30 BOL flare pops that won’t deter IRCCM missiles unless far away while mig21 with countermeasures have 64 large caliber flares that will tell the cheekiest magic2 to go away. Everything else has better thrust weight ratio than the f-5c so idk what is your damn point, just don’t dogfight it lmao, you do have all the resources not to (unless you’re a 10.0 minus) but these 10.0 minus face larger problems against the migs in question, like not having flares.
Which f5 are you on about? The premium American f5c has 120 flares. Are you on about the Chinese one? But even then I’m pretty sure that’s an f5a so I honestly have no fucking clue what you’re on about….
Second of all, Jesus Christ did you just say a mig 21 is better at playing verticals than you? It has a good power to weight but this is a mig 21, you spiral upwards and you watch it fall out the sky.
The f5c is a turn fighter not an energy fighter, the only jets it can see that can dog fight it are the ariete, mirages and mig 21s. The later two being delta wings so lose energy after the first turn unlike you. Go watch a video on how to use the f5 please before saying the mig 21 is a better verticals fighter than you lmao.
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I fly the American F-5C and am 3KD on it, 5kd if we remove the teamkills. It has 60 flares divided in 30 pops.
stop damn lecturing on me lmao. You’re literally 1:1 maximum even on questionable BR vehicles.
If their Bol pods gaijin have them an artificial nerf making them pop two flare at a time. However I’m pretty sure that didn’t affect the number shown as it did used to be 120. Either way my point still stand for all the other points. The f5c is a monster dog fighter, your 3.0 kd stands to that as if it was any lower it would stomp even more.
Also you can’t compare kd from a premium jet that’s spaded from the start with a TT jet that I had to spade without premium and without flares for the most part as it’s only a recent addition. My average is a 2kd with jets like my tornado which I would say is good enough.
The F-5C is in need of a total overhaul. Its engines run stupidly cold meaning you are practically immune to IR missiles A Harrier is stupidly hot in comparison. The F-5C in my opinion is in need of some nerfs
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At least someone here has common sense.
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that’s not the bol nerf; bol flares are mounted in the pylons or in the fuselage but they’re not integrated in the fuselage like those on an F8E, f16 or a mig23mld, but more like the mirage f1c, the f-4e and the mig21smt with the radar jammer blister. BOL flare nerf is a temperature and burning time nerf
Once again im not asking for the f5c to go down, im asking the other common 10.3s to go up. Would you rather get an f-5c dogfight your f3h or get shoved an r60 you can’t dodge from a mig21 that will run away from you every time? I’d rather rely on my skill and dogfight the f-5 than to hopelessly die to an r60m.
Your “average KD” on jets is below 1, of all the jets the tornado is the only one you’re 1.3+ and my kd on f-5c is that high because i keep meeting booboogaagaas like you. The F-5C spaded is still worse in performance than any stock 9.3, it has no thrust, all it has is great energy retention at high speed and high ergonomy below mach resulting in speed loss. Couple that with the engines that offer no thrust and you get a jet easy to third party or catch up. I’ve outfought them on f-4e quite easily by abusing the thrust they can only dream of having.
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Yep :D
Engine temps are driving me nuts currently. I was actually doing some ARB matches last night (of course only uptiers…)
Harrier Gr3. Aim-9G rear-aspect shot against an F-111 on full reheat. defeated with 1 flare.
I had a draken fire a RB24J at me, 6 flares and a hard turn, tracked straight and true.
Its kinda stupid what is going on at that BR. Its not only the F-5 that is stupid when it comes to engine temps, buts its the only premium I think that is stupid and thus the worse offender