This was one of those cases where the devs shouldn’t have asked the community anything; they should have fixed the APHE damage and that’s it, thus correcting the biggest imbalance and the biggest injustice (aside from the CAS insanity) in the game. It’s clear that some people don’t want it changed, and I find that understandable, just as it’s understandable that players who use cheats want to use them all the time and not get banned for it. But in these cases, the devs need to step up and fix this bug, because even if it’s not popular, it’s absolutely necessary.
There are too many psychotropic hallucinations in this game.
They want to compare the type of bullet, when the cannons are completely different. The only case I can think of where Full AP ammunition penetrates significantly more than APHE being the same cannon is the short 75mm Swedish cannons.
And yet, with this difference in penetration, I’m almost certain that many who used these tanks carried the APHE as their main ammunition for the simple reason that it’s better to penetrate less and kill with one shot, than to penetrate more and need 4 shots, and even more so when, despite penetrating less, that penetration is sufficient.
Hopefully, this gets fixed soon, even with the mass changes.
Talking with BeNeLux players, and it would be so nice to get their Ram II for low-tier addition; however, they only used models with the OQF 75mm, so getting Gaijin to realize the gun was meant for US/Sherman shells, which means a Ram II with Sherman APHE, which would be peak.
Since the Cromwell V is going up to 3.7, now would be a good time to see the APHE round added. Otherwise, it’s just going to end up a worse Cromwell I.
Agreed. Would be great to see the Churchill VII and Valentine XI to get it as well. The XI could even be moved to 3.0 as that’s a fantastic round at that BR.
I’d happily suffer the BR increase in order for it to get APHE, it’s broadly comparable to the PzIIIJ1’s KwK 39 (the long 50 mm), which has similar penetration plus APHE effect at BR 2.7.
But when Yak-9K received APHE, they wasn’t bothered to rise it’s BR immediately with APHE addition. Only after extremely long time of complains and thousands of battles where Yak-9K solo win every game
Honestly, I don’t see anything wrong with Cromwell V being pegged at the same BR as the PzIVH if it receives APHE. The mobility advantage of Cromwell is significant, as is the 2in bomb thrower.
I dont play lower BRs, so I cant really comment either way, but it to me sounds like like-for-like tanks might end up at a higher BR just because britain got APHE and recieve unreasonable BR increases.
Would the BRs even need to be drastically changed that much? There’s only 3 tech tree vehicles that I can remember with it and the premiums are effectively minor sidegrades/reskins.
Valentine Mk.11 makes more sense at 3.0 so it isn’t lumped with the Mk.1 for whatever reason.
the Cromwell Mk.5 would be absolutely fine at 3.7 with filler as essentially a Chaffee without reverse gear.
The Churchill Mk.7 could mayyybe be problematic but the T14 still sorta does what it does but better and with a stab.
I think that most, these vehicles would move up by maybe one or two BR jumps (0.3 - 0.7 BRs)
The fact they’d get APHE doesn’t change the horrible pen of the gun or the bad shell velocity.
Most British tanks as these BRs have enough drawbacks (bad reverse or slow speed for example) make it so they arent really overpowered.
Im bored so I’ll just estimate what BRs they could go to, I’ll also include 6 pounder APHE as thats been reported and accepted.
Crusader MK.III: 3.0 → 3.7 (potential APDS addition too?)
Valentine XI: 2.7 → 3.0 - (Decent gun but very slow)
Valentine XI: 3.0 → 3.3 - (Good gun but too slow to do much)
AEC MK.II: 3.3 → 4.0 - (Relatively fast and great gun, especially with APHE)
Cromwell V: 3.7 → 3.7 X - (Even with APHE, it’s relatively comparable to a Chaffee)
Cromwell I: 3.7 → 4.0 - (Better than V as it has a 4 second reload and stab)
SARC MK.VI: 3.7 → 4.3 - (Highly mobile and quite small with a good gun)
RAM II: 3.7 → 4.0 - (Basically just a sherman with a better penning gun)
Churchill III: 4.0 → 4.3 - (Now the same BR as the NA.75 that has APHE)
Churchill MK.VII / Croc: 4.7 → 5.0 - (Could remain at 4.7 to be honest, but probably too strong for 3.7s)
Excelsior: 4.0 → 4.3 - (Fast and good armour, probably too good for 4.0 with APHE)
That’s just my estimates, I’d rather see these vehicles move up a bit and be more enjoyable to play than just remain where they are and keep being extremely medicore
