How can you imagine that ? You missing the point that 50mm plate turns second duplet element usless.
If you cannot understand my point then please do not try to debate it. It is very clear what I am saying about the 50mm plate. Please read properly.
Are you able to understand this text?
Are you seroisly thinking that engineers closed ERA with 50mm armor plate rendering it usless and turning it into complete dead weight ? Im really missing the logic here
Ah you deny the existence of this plate.
If you cannot believe your own eyes when you see images from factory or blueprint posted by andrei then I cannot help you because I cannot fix such errors in your judgement.
As for “why would engineers use 50mm plate that makes era ineffective?” This is because this is an incorrect assumption and I have already explained that the ERA still maintains most of its effectiveness with this plate:
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At certain trajectory that doesn’t happen in game you literally have to be lower than Oplot and have no ballistics.
The angle of the plate is the same as in blueprints. It should be around 68 degrees from the vertical
Have you ever seen how your shots hits in game ? To retain ERA effectivness the rod must hit at certain angle that could be reached if Oplot have elevation at majority of times effectivness will be effected more.
Okay? Maybe it will be 1 or 2 degrees more. APFSDS does not arc more than that. At any reasonable ranges.
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Also the values of every other ERA in game is set according to tests done at optimal angles. Same should be done with Nizh/Duplet.
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where you find exact weight?
manufacturer say this, and brochure claim same maximum protection % - 90% for APFSDS.
It’s supposed to disappear after it’s triggered. Have you ever seen a single photo where this intermediate plate was in place after shot?
It’s already
its like one of the first images i found in google and gaijin cant see it?
its how OFL 120 pens with duplet and without and its way better than in game
its like mini cumulatives what slices shell (nizh(in Ukrainian - ніж) translates like knife)
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Manufacturer states on the website it is 60-70% less than older models. If we compare it with k-1 or k-5, this roughly aligns with weight of model 19 elements, if compared with model 34 elements, it is even less.
Normal RHA plates are also supposed to degrade when hit but this is not modeled in game. Same should apply to this plate. Realism should not be applied selectively when it nerfs something.
I will agree with your assessment here that 2-3 charges out of 5 should be the ratio. This lands us to 40-60% effectiveness of the first layer of ERA.
Let’s say second layer should be 50% as strong. Would you support the addition of the 50mm plate and nerf the second layer ERA to 50% of its current protection value? (Even though I think this value should be 190mm instead of 140mm. But we can discuss this later.)
Um, no. When the second layer is triggered, all the steel above it shatters into pieces. Nothing remains.
This is literally the same as how the cover of a K-5 or Relikt is destroyed.
There’s no reason whatsoever to make an exception for the Duplet, especially since we can clearly see from the photo that this always happens.
I don’t really understand what you’re trying to achieve.
- The distribution of protection between the layers currently seems reasonable, considering the 50mm plate. That is, a 15mm cap + the first ERA layer provides the same protection as a 50mm cap and a second ERA layer.
- The overall protection also looks normal. 292mm seems adequate, as I already said. This is consistent with the data on the Nozh from Kharkiv Morozov Design Bureau and various sources, which indicate that the Duplet has approximately 12.5% higher protection.
I have no desire to argue over every millimeter, whether it’s 280 or 300, when the sources are test results where the penetration angle is measured by eye.
Theoretically, it would even be possible to report lower protection based on the Kharkiv Morozov Design Bureau website and the Microtek presentation, but I don’t want to do that and waste the developers’ time.
Regarding the visuals, I don’t know whether it’s necessary to display the 50mm plate inside the ERA. I’ve already said that this will lead to amateurish calculations where people will subtract steel at a 68-degree angle from the Duplet’s normalized resistance.
At least a dozen people have already repeated this error here and on the Russian forum. Many simply don’t fully understand what they’re seeing in the game and how ammunition and ERA work in real life, yet they’re eager to prove themselves right.
I think the current visuals adequately reflect the protection: there’s three layers of primary passive armor, which are always present on the tank, and two layers of ERA, which can be destroyed separately.
We don’t know this. We don’t know what kind of armour the test footage Duplet module had, again as you know, the patent states rubber dampener.
We know for sure that BM Oplot has a 50mm RHA plate, and according to your own words, the ERA is not powerful enough to penetrate this plate and destroy it in order to damage the projectile with full efficiency.
Just when we are about to come to a point, you throw it all away. I’m trying to state that the 50mm plate will indeed increase the effectiveness of the hull armour.
At 68 degrees the LOS thickness of 50mm is 130mm, unless the second layer of ERA provides less than 10mm of protection against Kinetic projectiles, there is no way the protection remains the same as in the turret module.
140mm per tile and 190mm as seen in test footage is a wildly different amount.
If modelled accurately, the LOS penetration should be 120mm after encountering the turret ERA module. It does not matter how the penetration was reduced, by cutting, deformation or changing the projectile trajectory, what matters is the angle it was fired at is approximately 60 degrees. If the trajectory changes and reduces penetration that way, that only means this reduction should be incorporated into the effective KE protection of the ERA.
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Any dart will kill a T-series tank through the driver’s optics.
Nobe, it only kills the driver plus the turret transverse mechanism if lucky(most of the time it won’t kill the driver ) this is the case of 3ubm22
It’s not you have to put Oplot 1 meter above T-80 to this kind of thing happend.
At point blank yeah. At more than 100m the difference is less than a degree.