Yes, I know there was some upgrade packages for it that updated the radar and stuff but the issue with those is that (off the top of my head) they add AMRAAM capability… which is not exactly fitting of where I envision it to be lol
So real actually I just like imagining they might future plan for decompression that may or may not happen
Sadly, Tiger Century aircraft hasn’t actually done anything. Majority of this stuff is conceptual, with really nothing to show for it
No modifications like this for the F-5E IRL actually exist, unfortunately.
The few that have something similar only have wiring/compatibility with Python III and IV underwing, but no Sidewinders afaik
Dang it Tiger Century
Plus honestly it’s not like they’d apply this upgrade to USAF/USN F-5s because they’re all being phased out
I remember the AIM-9L being much more flare resistant in the past (you had to cut afterburner and flare) and then at some point it was nerfed so it became flare hungry, no cutting of AB necessary for most aircraft.
Is there a historical basis for this, or just gameplay?
The USN’s F-5Ns are being upgraded to similar standards as Tactical Air Support’s F-5ATs, same with the Marine Corps’. They just don’t need those additional Sidewinders underwing, since radar/IRST is more of the threat that needs to be replicated
Just gameplay, IIRC all US missiles that have solid state electronics should be extremely hard, if not impossible, to flare off if you stay on the afterburner from rear aspect.
and now gajin is laughing in our faces saying rb74m is 9m
It should be smoky and german 9L/i
All later production AIM-9L utilized reduced smoke motors IRL
Were they ever exported in that config?
Sweden is an additional producer of the Mk36 motors and the AMRAAM motors and since the propellant sections are interchangeable (Mk36 mods, not Mk36 and AMRAAM) during maintenance they simply stopped producing the high smoke motors after some time.
No, the reduced smoke motor was not used in either the AIM-9L/I or AIM-9L/I-1.
They used Mk.36 Mod 8 and Mod 10 motors. Current implementation is incorrect.
The AIM-9M Sidewinder missile can be fitted with the following rocket motors: Mk 36 Mod 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11; Mod 9 and 11 motors are filled with a reduced smoke propellant (X-61).
Is that report internally still there? I remember hitting a brick wall with swedish side of sources and not being able to identify anything other then missiles coming from diehl
There is internal report, and it was for AIM-9L/I-1 and RB 74(M).
I was responding in regards to the RB-74M
Additionally, the fitment of the Mod 7 through 11 motor on the AIM-9M indicates as I said that the motors are swappable. Any AIM-9L variant can use any motor combination. The only issue is that there are a few specific reduced smoke motors which vary mostly in what pylons can mount the motor casing. Mod 9 and 11 otherwise are the same.
Sweden only produces reduced smoke propellant it would be inappropriate to assume the RB-74(M) uses the older modifications of the propellant still unless they have not reached their shelf life yet. On that same note, I think I saw a picture of a Harrier being loaded with an AIM-120B in 2022 which was thought to be beyond the shelf life of those missiles.
This is a brochure from 2014. Also, in a video uploaded 5 months ago, you can see that the AIM-9L/I or AIM-9L/I-1 is using a Mk.36 Mod 10 motor.
It appears that they did not have access to the smokeless Mk.36 Mod 9 and Mod 11.
And, I have not seen any sources so far that Sweden and Germany produced reduced smoke motors, all sources show that they only used high smoke motors.
Yes but it was shown the motors can be swapped. They have no mounting or usage differences in regards to how the missile is assembled. The only changes between mods are the propellant type and the modifications to the hanger for use on specific pylons.
If Gaijin can give Su-27SM the dual R-77 pylons that it could never carry irl they can certainly give all AIM-9 w/ IRCCM a reduced smoke motor.
similarly all the pictures (including bundeswehr.de) show either mod 8 (EUR) or mod 10 like in video
the biggest problem is gajin added them and now we have to prove the negative
The 9L/i-1 should have its smokeless motor removed per historical accuracy, but gaijin should be consistent with said nerf hammer, and they most definitly are not at the moment, nor have they ever really been tbh.
It will not be, in this case AIM-9L/I-1 will be changed to AIM-9M.
Also, if there is evidence that the dual R-77 pylons on the Su-27SM are mechanically unusable, the developers will remove them.
